Adding Stats - Con Royal

What, in your opinion, would be the best way to add stats at level 51+ on a Con Royal.

Would you go Wis Royal? Why?

Would you go Str? Why?

Would you go Dex? Why?

Would you go Int? (Omg why?) =P

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i would probably max out dex

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i would probably max out dex first for ac/hit and leave it at lvl 55 just for buffs.. nothing more

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And I would start str base

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And I would start str base since I only plan to get it to 55

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The intention of this

The intention of this particular royal is high level, and to continue leveling. Which is why it started as Con. (All chars should start Con in my opinion.)

I am torn between going Dex first to 18 for the AC, or going Str first to 18 for the damage. With royal items (including the wonderful Mummy crown) it is quite easy to get over 4 bonus str from items alone, and a few bonus dex.

But it also seems like... as the case of all classes now, wis wouldnt be a bad investment. Not only for the MR but extra mp and regen. And if adding wis, it is always best to do it early.

So many choices... so little time...

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If u plan to make it a main

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If u plan to make it a main char.. then by all means go con,

my route is a fast route since Id only want it for buffs and nothing more.

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The prince buffs are

The prince buffs are awesome. I just hope they one day fix the party exp and add more exp bonus for having a royal within the party.


i was thinking about making

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i was thinking about making a prince today....not for making my own pledge becuz i have an awesome one....but to help out in hunting and in general in my pledge. I was wondering what the best stats would be for prince going 50+?


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/agree 18 con is the way to

/agree 18 con is the way to go esp. if it is 50+


It depends on what you want

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It depends on what you want to do with the royal.

If they are going to primarily do normal hunting, I'd go strength or dex to speed up the leveling process.

If they are going to do boss hunting or especially sieging, I'd start by adding wisdom for MR (even though it's a long road to get much out of it).


Fully agree with Chryses'

Fully agree with Chryses' comments on the purpose of using your Royal. Since Royals have advantage of MR spells it may be worthwhile to add to WIS to buff up MP and MR for self as well as pledge hunts.

Char obviously for those who plan to lead a massive army of members. Con perhaps for additional HP but that can be added progressively. Then again no one will ever complain of more HP.


Char on a royal isnt even

Char on a royal isnt even needed anymore. Royal's are fighting chars just like all the others now.

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Which brings up another

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Which brings up another issue: Something really needs to be done to "fix" charisma royals.

There used to be a reason to be a charisma royal. You could hold more people in your pledge. Now, the quests and alliance system and the dwindling population base has made it so this is almost never an issue for a level 50 royal ... whether they are charisma or not.

The pets being tamed based on charisma is a start, but i think more needs to be done to compensate people who leveled charisma royals only to have it devalued by the events mentioned above.

Maybe this will become a future poll. What, if anything, should be done to increase the value of charisma on a royal? I'm thinking maybe increased party size when the royal leads, increased effectiveness of royal buffs based on charisma, or a spell that manages aggro for either the royal or the party (perhaps like a confusion spell that can send a monster wandering off).


Quote:I'm thinking maybe

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Quote:
I'm thinking maybe increased party size when the royal leads, increased effectiveness of royal buffs based on charisma, or a spell that manages aggro for either the royal or the party (perhaps like a confusion spell that can send a monster wandering off).

Great Ideas now if only it got implemented o.O

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Who in their right mind

Who in their right mind would make a char royal anyways o.o

*looks around*

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A charisma royal isn't even

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A charisma royal isn't even REALLY needed on dep or even LoA. I suppose you could get big enough with alts and such that you would need the charisma, but with the level 50 bonus, the alliance bonus and all the charisma gear that is pretty easy to get now you can get a boatload of people into the pledge of a non-charisma royal.


That depends. I don't see

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That depends.

I don't see myself as a fighting royal... more of a fascist dictator... hehehe


He didn't mention that he

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He didn't mention that he plays on Ken, and thus CHA on a royal is worthless - unless you want to lead the entire server of course... muwahahaha


Char isnt needed on a royal

Char isnt needed on a royal on any server! =P

You can get as big as you want, thanks to the level 45 and 50 pledge size boosts. And all the char items available.

And if you did make a char royal for pledge, it wouldnt be leveled, it would just be a shell royal.

Poor Charisma royals got rooked by game changes. They cant go back and change their stats. Just like all the knights that added to 25str/dex and is now to late to get decent Wisdom they vitally need. And just like all the mages that didnt get to add Charisma before Cougar came, and now cant get Cougar.

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The good news is there is

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The good news is there is precedent for coming up with things that boost characters with out-of-date builds.

The dex ac bonus helped dex elfs who had been essentially put out of work by con elfs. OWL made actually killing with magic feasible for an int mage.

So something could be done to make charisma for royals a more valid stat. And it should be. Even assuming, like any other class, that con is the way to start charisma should be the end-game for a royal much like max int is for a mage and strength is for a knight and dex is for an elf.


I just disagree on the end

I just disagree on the end game thing. The end game of a royal shouldnt be Charisma.

Charisma is 99% useless, its a thing of the past. And any Royal in their right mind is going to add other stats.

Charisma is a mage stat now.

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It is useless. As it stand

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It is useless. As it stand they should be going into other points.

I'm not arguing either of those points. My contention is that it shouldn't be a useless stat on royals. It is the stat NC had in mind when they developed the class, and as the game evolves they shoul find ways to make it more useful.

I guess I would say is it SHOULD be the end game stat for royals ... not so much that it currently is because it's a complete waste.

Actually, NC has gone so far as to DEvalue charisma for royals by constantly adding charisma items that allow non-charisma royals to have larger and larger pledges.


Adding con progressively IMO

Adding con progressively IMO defeats the purpose of adding con originally. If you plan to add CON add it from day 1. You never ever be able to make up the HP difference from 1-51.


I would say either add str

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I would say either add str or dex probally the dex first to help with ac and the hit ratings. Then go str from there. But I might start with str so I could dump my powergloves or str ammy in turn for some better ac. Items or oter items that would help along the way. But probally one of those two stats would be first on the list after you have those capped I would cap wis.

Charisma Royals just need NC to go on an aggresive campaign and get some new blood in the game alot of new blood. Then every thing would be kosher :)


The last prince/ss I leveled

The last prince/ss I leveled up was a cha royal mainly because I have no intentions of ever taking it 50+...


i will give Mr C right need

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i will give Mr C right need to make it so if royals make party you can hold more people i a party.
maybe make it base on cha but atlest make itt so if royal make party you can be 10+ members in a party.


For most hunting I don't

For most hunting I don't think you want a party that big. Might be nice in sieges, or if a dragon comes along, but for normal hunts more than 8 is way too much in a party anyway.

It would be nice to have something useful come for the charisma if it is workable, but larger party sizes would be a marginal benefit at best, in my opinion.

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Larger party sizes are a

Larger party sizes are a double bladed knife. They sound fun, until you go up against a party of 10, half of which are NB elves, and you cant touch them.

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Would be pretty cool tho at

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Would be pretty cool tho at pvp situations /sieges / dragons

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I can't imagine that that 4

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I can't imagine that that 4 tanks and 6 NB elfs would really be that much different than 4 tanks and 4 NB elfs. I guess it's impossible to say until you actually try it.

If an extra couple of NB elfs makes a part that much stronger, though, perhaps there should be talk of nerfing that spell.

*ducks and hides from NB elfs everywhere*


Not much NB elves on

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Not much NB elves on loa..
most are earth... and then the fires/winds and ocassional waters

NB crystall is expensive too i think

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A well organized party of NB

A well organized party of NB elves, you are not going to venz or kill any of them. Unless you simply have that much of an overwhelming force compared to their numbers.

But I also think it would make dragons easier, or too easy.

And in general hunting, even pledge hunting, you never actually need a party above 8. And if you do it is better to break up into two parties. Parties that big in casual hunting are more hurt than help. Its disorganized and chaotic.

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Ya.. it is hard to kill a

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Ya.. it is hard to kill a group of partied water elves.. they just keep shooting and alternateing b2s/nb Q_Q

but would still be fun to have big parties.. O.o

On another note~

I really think they should just make the royal buffs a pledge buff that when casted.. any pledge member that is on screen will get the effect rather then having to party.

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I agree with that. Royal

I agree with that. Royal Buff part.

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What about like the 55 one

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What about like the 55 one where it gets all party members (both pledge and non pledge) AND all pledge members on screen. That rocks.


Seldom needed. Not worth it

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Seldom needed. Not worth it with the experience lost. But fun.

And with the right pledge, you can have far more than eight people hunting together without any real organization problems.

I just don't see it as a big problem. I guess a party of 10 NB elfs would be annoying; but I just can't imagine the extra two would make it that much more annoying than a party of eight NB elfs.


Chrys, lol...so nb elves are

Chrys, lol...so nb elves are annoying :P Make us sound like cockroaches or something O.o Maybe we should make the change to allow bigger parties ONLY if they are all nb elves :P

All kidding aside though, I do believe that there are far better ways than larger party size to give some value to the charisma royal.

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Not cockroaches. More like

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Not cockroaches.

More like ants.

:p


Would be nice if cha

Would be nice if cha modified the exp bonus ^^


it has always been said that

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it has always been said that the royals give an exp bonus when they are party leader, maybe if that bonus was modified based on cha,

for instance: royals have 13 base cha assuming they never added at creation. so say that every 1cha over base gives 1% more xp while in party (over current party bonus), and then it progresses like dex damage does(for bow) /// ( http://www.lineagedb.com/character/stats.php?m=dex ) /// with this type of progression, a royal with a cha of 30, would be able to hunt in a 2 man party in which both members would get 80% of the exp they would normally get if they were hunting alone and killing the same amount of monsters (before level difference and amount of damage dealt is factored in of course, but this number would be neglible compared to the bonus)

i think this would revive the cha royals out there, and would promote party hunting immensely, for all royals, because ANY cha over 13 would receive a slight bonus, and as a royal it is very easy to get/use cha items :)

EDIT: reposting in new thread, i think this should be discussed

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My personal opinion is that

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My personal opinion is that the coolest and most probably the most easily applied change would be to the royal buffs. For example:

Right now the MR buff is 20% regardless of your charisma, I would propose something like this:

Charisma 13 (Royal starting point) 15% MR
Charisma 15 (Easily obtainable even if you start at 13) 20%
Charisma 18 (full Charisma royal to start) 25%
Charisma 25+ (caps out here) 30%

The same sort of thing could apply to the level 50 damage spell.

Cha 13 = +4 damage
Cha 15 = +5 damage (what it is now)
Cha 18 = +6 damage
Cha 25+ = +6 damage


That would be a cool update.

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That would be a cool update.

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Thats a nice idea, but i see

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Thats a nice idea, but i see this problem with it, people would just put their CHA gear on to buff and nothing else. With my idea, you would be adding points into CHA because the exp bonus is worth it.

Perhaps both should be applied?

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