I have some questions for you grizzled veterans...
First, which pair of mage gloves do you favor? Personally I found the list a little underwhelming, but then again I'm missing the gene that causes one to be excited about elemental resist gear. Do I owe the folks at lindb an item list update or is this really it? Are you happy with it?
Second, do you have an opinion on which to spend your money on first in terms of gear vs. spells? I have a feeling it depends on what spell we're talking about, but I figured it could be worth asking.
Thanks!
I personally HATE spending a
I personally HATE spending a lot of money for a spells. Spells are a HUGE investment to the character and an Investment that one will NEVER EVER get back. Gear on the other hand (well some gear that can be utilized by other classes) is a much better investment in my opinion. I am still missing Met Strike (I think the going price of 65 million for this sb is crazy for what it actually does) and AB (I would be willing to pay a little more for this SB but not the current 90-100 million that people are asking). I did pay 250 million for destroy ONLY because I knew it would go up to 400 million + again and I figured I would never ever ever have a chance like that again so I went ahead and fronted the money.
Glove wise I currently use power gloves, the added 2 strength more than makes up than the marginal if best 4% elemental resistance and the 1 mp regen. Another glove option would not be so horrible, but personally I would not mind seeing a wider variety in the lines of t-shirts!
I have both pg and new king
I have both pg and new king gloves at my disposal..
as for a better glove option, i wouldnt mind some MR resist gloves O_O!!! for eg~
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+10mr resis
+1mp regen
+(+1ac) (thats right +.. not -)
+ bone material
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As for spells/gear.. I got my gear before i invested in spells..
but now i have all my spells except for.......blizard/freezingblizard and fog of sleeping.. i dont plan to buy these spells as i would rather get them as a drop.. unless of course they were dirt cheap...
And at this point.. id just invest in more better gear.
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you must have money being
you must have money being 55+, so who is fog of sleeping expensive 500k-700k is even cheap for me??
Im very cheap =) when it
Im very cheap =) when it comes to certain things
Id rather get it as a drop since its not important that i have it.
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I would rather have most
I would rather have most spells drop to me due to their cost! Although, I have HORRIBLE drop luck(when it comes to solo drops)...the best solo drop for me ever is a bzel!
I like the idea of bone
I like the idea of bone material gloves for the mage! However with all the elemental resist gloves out there already, I'm not sure creating yet another resist item is the direction to take (even if it is straight up MR). +Wis is tempting, mana hounds don't have much to choose from in the gloves dept. STR, AC, and Resist hounds have their camps adequately represented IMO...but tell me if I'm being bias.
Some +cha gloves wouldn't hurt either (as Chryses mentioned further down), but I wouldn't say bone material says "look how charming and approachable I am". I'd like to approach that with a different set.
Ok, ppl may not like me for
Ok, ppl may not like me for pointing this out, but~ seeing how u dont want another resis glove...
if you add a wis glove.. that is like giving a random mr resis bonus as well since any wis after 15 except 16 gives u a bonus mr resis..
if u have 15 wis u get 3 bonus
16wis=0 bonus
17wis=3 bonus
18wis=4 bonus
19wis=5
20wis=6
21wis=7
22wis=8
23wis=9
24wis=3
25wis=4
26wis=?
so basically if u had 18wis.. and u were to get a wis glove, that would take ur wis point to 19 providing u with a bonus of 5 mr
source = http://lineagedb.com/character/stats.php?m=wis
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wis glove isnt a bad thing
wis glove isnt a bad thing tho! since max mr u can gain from the glove is 9 and the min being 0
as well as the regen bonus
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I think its kind of biased
I think its kind of biased in the Str/AC department of the gloves.... That a true tanking class has no better AC or Str glove available to them than any other class.
And the Char gloves...
Something about char items...
They are not enchanted. People dont care if you can even enchant them. They dont care what AC they give, what negative things they do. (They dont care if the glove takes 1000int away, as long as it gives that char to them) because they dont use them to hunt. They put them on for the brief second they need them to summon, or take pets out of kennel, then they take them back off and put on their main gear. Just like Mambo set.
So you could make the char gloves -100int, +15ac (bad ac) and +1char, people would still use them just the same as if they were only +1char. Just a thought to consider when talking about char items.
More on Char items... It appears that NCKorea has char items pretty planned out. As it is now, it takes a 25base charisma mage, almost every available char item, to summon Cougar. Including the really rare items like Iris Ammy. This kind of seems to be their intention.
So I guess it would be cool to give mages that were already passed the opportunity to get Cougar, to give them that chance with a few extra char items. Just remember that a few to many char items, and we will go from the elite mage (which lvled with cougar in mind) having Cougar, to every mage having cougar. Just a thought....
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you could make the char
you could make the char items have like insane weight so taht the only time u could summon is while ur in town O_O unless u wana carry an insane weight item
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I use ice gloves (ice
I use ice gloves (ice because they are the ones I happened to get to +6, any element works same, its only 4%) And I use them for the mp regen. The str doesnt hurt, but its not why I use them. I never worried about AC on my mage. Because at those times that I need that extra few points of AC, I can just ith myself for 2mgems and be more uber than that AC would make me, for a fraction of the cost.
As far as gear vs spells.
It really depends on the spells and the gear. Luckily the good mage gear are quest items. CSOM Mana cloak bomp mana ball som. so you get those along the way. Spells like Ith and HW are more high priority over gear, as they help far more than gear.
I have all spells but destroy/ab. My spells cost me considerably more than my gear. Almost as much as my knights gear.
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I do agree the mage gloves
I do agree the mage gloves are kind of lacking. I also use PGs on my mages, they help carrying and if im gonna use SoF, but id love more options. As for [gear VS. spells] i usually get the gear first, its usually much cheaper and easily available than the hard to get spells like AS HW Destroy Meteor and AB. I would love to get all the spells, but some of them are just ridiculously priced. I don't have any of the spells i listed cuz they all cost 35m adena or more. Just started playing again after a 3-4yr break so I'm still working on a couple items before i start saving for the expensive spells.
here is a great idea... Make
here is a great idea...
Make that ancient cap (the lvl 50 reward) that is currently -10ac to
+5 sp and 0ac :)
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Where do I go to sign this
Where do I go to sign this petition?!?
We have such a problem with mage damage that we are discussing the single biggest pvp nerf to mage ever in one thread and in this one we are talking about handing them the equivalent of one of the most sought after staffs in the game as an essentially free level 50 reward.
You just need to use
You just need to use strategy for the new pvp nerf and not rely solely on mages to fight for u as it currently is... So more sp is v.v and i already have an int cap so dont need another one o.o
as for the staff.. it will still be sought out, since its still an extra 5 sp v.v
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Hey I'm all for your crazy
Hey I'm all for your crazy uber cap for mages. What mage wouldn't be?
I'm just pointing out the irony of saying a nerf is needed because mages are too strong in one breath and in the next proposing an item that would make mages considerably stronger than they are now.
The reason i want the nerf
The reason i want the nerf is cause of the holy walk 5 min per cast =)
as sk8 mentioned.. with the good comes the bad v.v
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Who are you on the real
Who are you on the real boards? o.O
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I dont have an account on
I dont have an account on the real boards.. I just read it
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Its better over here then
Its better over here then thier anyways O_O
and besides with the boards broken over thier.. people should all register here and chat v.v
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There is only two people on
There is only two people on the main boards anyways....
Me, and the people who hate me.
O.o
Nanh, just joking =P
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Yes I was also thinking that
Yes I was also thinking that something should be adjusted with this cap! It needs something besides the ac!!
I havent even bothered
I havent even bothered getting mine cause its junkiness. Not even sure where to hehe
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Quote:Do I owe the folks at
Please, give them all the information you want. Please please. It wouldnt hurt a thing!
(Give them drop tables while you are at it!) =P
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This really depends on what
This really depends on what kind of gear and which spells you are talking about.
Generally speaking (and only considering the "expensive" stuff), my priorities look something like this:
1. Ancient Robe
2. Crucial spells like holy walk and immune to harm.
3. First tier regen gear like rings, gloves, and quest items like mana cloak, silver cloak and crystal staff.
4. Very good but not really crucial spells like advance spirit.
5. High end regen like dark elder sandals, sema or balt cap, lich robe.
6. High end spells like destroy and AB.
7. Improving AC by enchanting existing gear or adding gear.
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As far as new mage gear goes, spell power is nice; but so many of the best spells are now int based ... especially with the new mage nerf ... that I prefer int to spell power. So in order of what I would get most excited about on new mage gear:
1. Plus to int.
2. Plus to mp regen.
3. Plus to spell power.
4. Plus to mp base.
5. AC.
Mmm +1 int gloves :) ..:: My
Mmm +1 int gloves :)
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+1 cha gloves wouldn't go
+1 cha gloves wouldn't go amiss amongst mages either, would they?
No they wouldnt v.v Bring on
No they wouldnt v.v
Bring on any +1int/wis/cha/sp glove lol v.v
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Cha gloves would be ok for
Cha gloves would be ok for high level mages ... for the under 60 crowd any of the other alternatives would be prefered.
I used Iron Gloves for the
I used Iron Gloves for the longest time.. until I got Power Gloves as a drop during the first Halloween boss event. I traded up for Demon Gloves I used those at +6 for a long time until Elemental Grave was introduced, now I use high enchanted Gloves of Ice Spirit. I'm really not that picky and I like to collect items... so I like to have one of each glove on me, depending on if I want to regen or if I need AC. I would like to see more kinds of gloves.
As for spells vs gear... I always get spells before gear, especially if the price of the spell drops because of an event, spells come and go.. and can be hard to find at times. Gear will always be around.
I lost 2 Karma for replying
I lost 2 Karma for replying to this post...lol?
"User Defy lost 2 karma! Total now is 71 points."
oh I found out why... it's
oh I found out why... it's because I edited! ouch...
Yes I no longer edit my
Yes I no longer edit my posts! Anyway, +1 int gloves would be sweet, but what about some special teeshirts?? Everyone has overlooked this part!
Class specific tshirts w/ a
Class specific tshirts w/ a lvl restriction of 52 o.o
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Overlooked? I have been
Overlooked? I have been suggesting T-shirts on the main boards for years =/
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I meant overlooked my
I meant overlooked my comment about tee-shirts above! I know they have been brought up in previous years. I believe even capt mentioned something with them. Just figured I would bring them up again.
I feel that investing in
I feel that investing in mage spells is the most significant in game investment of all. If you spend 100m on knight gear of 350 for 9 Kedo and want to switch class its fine cuz you can just sell you gear. You should be able to turn ur spells back into spellbooks or something where you can get that investment back from your mage.
I think that would be really
I think that would be really abused
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i use snow gloves and power
i use snow gloves and power gloves, i use staff of mana when i get low so they help me hit a little harder. i dont melee all that much so i use the snow gloves more i think i get one more ac with my snow gloves. being wis/int, i dont have much hp i checked it and i have 275 hp and thats with sbob (shining belt of body) id like to see a few more hp items for this build of mage. along with a little bit of better ac for them to protect thier delecate hp. if ur playing healer and u get hit once or twice u die pretty quickly especially if theres a lot of stuff. normally u can move away from the monster till ur tank can beat on it a bit. but if ur tank is swamped and ur trying to heal, and ur getting attacked. its kinda hard. now i know im gonna get flamed as being a bad mage. but my mage has holywalk and im not gonna remake it so go ahead and flame away Sk8, Prom have at it!! lol i still like ya both tho.
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As firebug says, 18con base
As firebug says, 18con base is the way to go :P
I had over 500hp w/ adv at 55 w/o sbob
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Not sure if you remember,
Not sure if you remember, but you are the one that told me to do that when I did make my comeback =]
Its good advice afterall
Its good advice afterall =)
especially if you aim to be anything higher then 48 v.v
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Ouch 275 hp hurts! I have
Ouch 275 hp hurts! I have over 550 hp on my mage ;) When I first came back I am 100% glad I decided to make my new char with 18 base con.
I have just a little over
I have just a little over 500 at level 50. With AS.
Con Con Con
Its the only way to go.
Thats 51 levels of HP that you can NEVER make up.
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yeah 18con base FTW!!
yeah 18con base FTW!!
I like Chryses analysis. As
I like Chryses analysis.
As far as gloves:
With base mage str, the elemental gloves +1 str is largely useless... here's why.
+1 str over base adds damage if you have even con (so 16 or 18).
Damage doesn't help unless you're meleeing
If you're meleeing as a mage, you always have the str spell cast...
Which means that +1 str is now boosting carry
So the only time +1 str gloves help a mage (assuming no other str items) is a slight carry bonus when meleeing. Not entirely useless... but close.
Gloves of New King are a much better option for most mages in the US (Where they're -1ac). For around the same price you can get -2ac +5hp at the cost of that useless +1str and 4%elem resist.
That having been said.... I would rather have +1mp regen than +0.... but still, that's pretty marginal at this point.
Not totally disagreeing
Not totally disagreeing here, but thought I should further your information a little on the elem gloves...
Mage starts at 8Str. (thats -2damage from str)
The 1str from the gloves puts them at 9str. (Thats only -1damage from the gloves, so it helps some)
Cast str on yourself, its same with or without the gloves. 13-14 str are same damage.
Using a SOF, with str spell, thats 16str without gloves (+2damage) or 17str with gloves(+3damage, so the gloves help here) Most mages use SOF/SOM combo, with the exception of the higher level mages with Bapho staves.
Carry... You can never have enough carry capacity. Any extra you can get on a mage is very welcome to have. Even if its just 1str's worth.
Personally, I would take +1str over the -2ac anytime of the day.
Same reason I use PG over CG on my knight.
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I agree
I agree