*COPIED FROM ORIGINAL POST ON LINEAGE FORUMS FOR LINEAGEONE COMMUNITY TO DISCUSS*
Hey Fracas,
So on the thread where you introduced the new knight tshirts and said that you wouldn't want royal to be able to use the lower end tshirt of the 2, I was wondering when Royals can hope to see a custom tshirt for their class. As many of the royals have made their opinions noted that they would not want another item that added CHA but instead, take the route that other items for royals have taken, which is -CHA +other stats. If theres one things royals don't need it's more CHA items.
So this got me thinking, what if you could find a way to replace the current level 15 quest item for royal which is a "Red Cloak" which currently is never used by any royal, mainly because it is a worthless item and there are 2 cloaks out there already that give the same stats as this item and one of them is very very easily obtainable (Cloak of Sea).
When you look at every other class in lineage, and their rewards for the level 15 quest, they FAR outweigh that of the royal.
Knights - Red Knight Hood, used by almost every knight as it is means to make the Red Knight Set which is one of the most valuable sets for a knight at ANY level.
Mage - Book of Magical Powers, This item is also used by every mage that is under level 50 and is a MAJOR help for leveling for mages as it gives +1 INT bonus.
Elf - Helm of Dex/Con, these items (mainly the dex helm) are used by all elves at any level when it is highly enchanted as it gives +2 DEX which is a major bonus for bow elves and even sword elves as it effects not only bow damage, but also + to hit for bow/sword.
Dark Elf - Shadow Mask, this item is very valuable as well for dark elves as it is the best way for them to receive the highest AC they can from a helmet as it is +6 safe, I'm also surprised that no dark elves have opted for there to be a set bonus when all shadow pieces are worn together, (mask, gloves, boots) but that can be saved for another thread.
And so we're left with royals, the short end of the stick, left with a cloak that does 2ac and +1CHA and is just left on a storage character or in storage or even Deleted, I mean we get another Cloak at level 30, what is the point of that? I'm sure if any other class got the same armor piece from both a level 15 and 30 quest they would feel the same way as royals.
So I figured it wouldn't be an insane thing to suggest as it seems to make sense to me, although I'm sure there will be some who will just complain that this shouldn't even be looked at until all the bots are gone and we catch up with NCK on updates and all.
But I know theres a way you could find some time to put aside to help royals out, so here's me hoping :)
Yea, this would be awesome
Yea, this would be awesome considering I just rolled a royal. The only reason I'm doing the quest is because I have to... otherwise I wouldn't even bother with it, the reward is just too lackluster.
Helping Royals would
Helping Royals would rock!
My royal does not need charisma because she is not going to actively seek members but her AC could use a lot of help.
A level 15 Quest item of "more use" would be cool.
And, if needed, a Royal can use sov maj cloak at a low level by borrowing or buying one. A mage in my pledge bought me one when my Royal was level 6 :p LOL!
Anyway, I agree, a Royal could really use AC and/or an item giving "another" stat....
Hey Fracas, when are you
Hey Fracas, when are you gonna make my DE invincible? Maybe introduce a depleted uranium type of armor! I would also appreciate it if you introduce some sort of automatic firearm for de use only... these knights are getting too strong and I wanna pwnz them all !!!!one1!1.. my e-ego is riding on this Q_Q
everyone needs to either a) stop complaining b) stop playing this game...
that is totally unnecessary,
that is totally unnecessary, this is meant to be a constructive discussion and your negativity isnt appreciated
the level 15 royal quest reward is a throwback to the days when there were no 30/45/50 quests, all the other rewards from back then have been removed (rks and som were readded) and with the addition of the level 30 quest reward, Soverign's Magesty, the Red Cloak is a waste of space.
Fracas, my idea to fix this is: remove the level 15 quest from the game, and then add a new one with the following quest reward.
Periapt of Nobility:
Just an idea....and it's heavy on purpose.
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And now I know who Ballistic
And now I know who Ballistic is on the main boards o.o I wouldnt have been able to guess. lol
edit--- btw I like that item and agree the red cloak is not a good quest reward.
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Ballistic wrote:that is
Periapt of Nobility:
I LOVE THIS IDEA, i recently started a royal (lvl30) i found the quest for lvl 15 completely useless. my cloak sits in my elf storage. i dont even feel that it is worth Zelin up.. i have played ever char to at least lvl 45 so far except for the royal. i like to know what is going on with quests and stuff so that if questions are asked by new players they can be answered if nobody else is on that knows. i agree that the 15 quests is useless.
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Throw on that a -1 to CHA
Throw on that a -1 to CHA and you get my vote.
sooo... constructive
sooo... constructive discussions are based upon complaining to Fracas about how unfair the class YOU chose to play stands up to other classes. In that case NC should just make everyone happy by rolling all classes into one a strong cc unit that is capable of using lvl 10 magic. Then the only thing anyone could whine about is their level, which people would probably still find a reason too. FRACAS I HAEV TO WERK ALL DAY, AND CAN'T LVL LIEK THOOSE ON WELFURE~ I WAN"T U TO BUT LVLING TIMER LIMIT ON THEM~!~
It's funny how you talk about my negativity when I never see a single post complementing Fracas on a job well done. Just cause I'm not nice about it you have an issue with it...
Quote:sooo... constructive
Ill answer this one... since it applies to me very well...
Ill answer it simply by expanding what you said..
Sooo... Constructive discussions are based upon complaining to Fracas about how unfair the class YOU chose to play stands up to other classes after they force a change to the mostly balanced class system by implementing the LOA ruleset, a ruleset YOU (meaning me) did not agree to play by when YOU (me again) choose the Ken server as YOUR home. Thus, after being forced to play on a new, unbalanced ruleset, YOU (me again) complain (open discussion on) ways that the ruleset could be more balanced towards the classes that became unbalanced when that ruleset was implemented. And, when discussed for a very long time (many months) and view points from all sides are gathered and people from both sides and all classes agree something should be done to rectify the situation and offer suggestions on said rectification.... (wow is that a word?) The final result is a reasonable fix to the problem... ie... in my case... the Fortified TS.
To put it simply... If there is not in fact a problem with whatever the person is choosing to complain about... (And I mean the topic is a problem with the game, not the complaining IS the problem.) Then no change will be made no matter how much complaining said person does.
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Ho, what is going on here
Ho, what is going on here isnt complaining as much as it is a discussion on how things can be added or changed to balance the game. That is the point of a discussion. And if the game were to stay the same forever with no new content or changes, it would become awefully boring. Your negativity is definately rude in this manner. And as for ur next comment further down, as U put it if you dont like the discussion and/or cant discuss it without rude remarks then mayeb YOU SHOULD go find another ride or leave the park.. IE get off the board and let the people with ideas talk......
Just checking in to let
Just checking in to let y'all know I am following this thread! Keep it goin.
I dunno what to tell you.
I dunno what to tell you. It's like standing in line for a broken rollercoaster ride at an amusment park. You can see it's not running, but you feel you have the right to complain to the manager... it's not like he did it on purpose. Now, at this point you can either leave the park, or just get on another ride. I hear the giant spinning sombrero is fun ^^.
My biggest problem with this
My biggest problem with this item is that it get replaced by Sovereign's Majesty at lvl 30. 2 Cloak rewards is just not a good idea. I really like Forge's idea with the ammy. Maybe a royal only earring or somthing like that would work as well.
Look Royal may have a sucky
Look Royal may have a sucky 15 quest item..........Their 50 quest out rule EVERYBODY'S .
If Royal is getting a new 15 quest.......Knight should get a new 50 quest, and all these complaints
will come from the users
Wait, do you mean the
Wait, do you mean the t-shirts that were just added that are simple to craft?
I dont know, I think the 50
I dont know, I think the 50 mage item out rules everyones. The Mana Ball is godly.
Which 50 prince item are you referring to? The diamond sword?
I agree that the knight 50 reward is horrible. So is the DE reward. All DE's and Knight's I know blew theirs up pretty much the same day they got it. But I wouldnt fight for a new one if royals got a new 15 reward. Knights got the loving they deserved.
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Well alrighty then... I am a
Well alrighty then...
I am a royal, I have done the 15, 30, & 45 quests and I don't use any of the items that I received as my reward. While, on my other characters, I use at least two of the quest items as part of my regular set.
it does seem pretty redundant to have two of the quest items be cloaks. Because of this, even if you wanted to use all of your quest gear, you wouldn't be able to. Other classes are able to equip all of their quest items for quests 15, 30, & 45, Royal should be able to do the same. This isn't really a complaint, more of rectifying an oversight. If I had to pick an item to add, I would say to add in a crown, or a circlet that was actually useful for regular armor sets instead of just buffs. While a t-shirt would be nice, it would diminish the uniqueness of the knights fortified t-shirt. So move the Sovereign's Majesty down to the level 15 quest (since it is very useful for lower levels), and add in the circlet/crown for level 30 quest. Another idea would be to add in a new spell for Royals perhaps in conjunction to the present quest items or to the circlet/crown. What spell, I don't know. Perhaps a heal pledge type of spell, or a weak immune to harm type of spell that affects all party members.
Now, on the other side of things-
While it would be cool to change one of the cloak quests to a different item, it does present some problems. First of all, you have the other classes that will begin to complain about their quest items. Second, NC always tends to give us something we want while piggy-backing it with something we don't want. So, lets say they think it through, decide to add in a new lvl 15 quest item, but in conjunction with that they nerf the diamond sword, or one of the spells. If most of you haven't noticed, whenever a large amount of players complain, something gets nerfed: instead of something being brought up in power, something is always down-graded. I understand this as a way to sort of control 'inflation' in the game. and i digress...
Third, royals are already pretty tough all things considered. I can hold my ground against my husbands DE, I'm not saying that I can beat him (yet) but I can hold my ground. Fourth, Royals have a lot of items available to them that are drops from monsters. Fifth, Sovereign's Majesty and the Red Cloak, are only similar in that they are both cloaks. Sovereign's Majesty is superior to the Red cloak which makes it a logical upgrade to the previous quest.
For LooTeR, Knight doesn't need a new level 50 quest item. Knights just received the fortified t-shirt. You can't tell me that your already unsatisfied with your new item. If you want a balance, then let's say NC makes the Fortified T-Shirt a quest only item.
So, that is how I see both sides of this question. I'm sure I'm missing something or have something confused.
Do what you will, so long as it harms none.
LOL forgot to delete a few
LOL forgot to delete a few things there. but u get the point.
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If royals were to trade in
If royals were to trade in thier cloak for a new item I wouldn't want it to be a non blowable item like a ammy. Whatever slot it would be, I think something that reduces thier mana cost on thier buff spells would be the ticket. Since I was under the impression they were a buff class.
i have a royal (lvl 49) that
i have a royal (lvl 49) that soon will be lvl 50 (hopefully) x.x
and i do agree that the lvl 15 quest is kinda sucky, i mean, it is made up later on with the cloak of majesty and well the ring ...
It is true that when a class is given something, players that play other classes start complaining, but that complaining never stops x.x whether we get an item or not.
Yes, royals are a pretty nice class when they are high lvl, and they have some cool spells when they reach high lvls... but at that lvl.... at lvl 15.. u do need a usefull item...
i like the idea of making sov majesty a lvl 15 quest item.. at that lvl, something like that will b very useful, i also like the idea of getting a little more mp, bc we can buff ourselves, but sometimes there is not enough mp to do it.. if u get overweight, u stop regenerating.
I like the idea of an ammulet that gives ya mp and maybe some mp regen... ya not asking for like 10mp regen x.x bc mages would be jealous.... but maybe give 4mp regen and like 10-15mp.
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cosa has a good point
cosa has a good point =>
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