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Regarding Dark Elves

Hi this is my first post here at lineageone,

I've recently come back to lineage after hearing about the changes to the ruleset and the conversion to LoA. Though I must admit I'm not all that impressed in regards to DE, I'm a lvl 50 DE but I don't understand why they've ruined DK morph for us. I understand it was part of the korean update but isn't the point of USruleset so that the game can be enjoyed by users stand alone from Korea?
Isn't it possible to throttle the swing speed up marginally so at the very least DK DE using edo/claws don't swing as slow as succubus (which it does currently). I would personally like it to at least swing as quickly as the DE 52 morph (which looks pretty aweful).

As for the people constantly attacking DE saying we're overbearingly powerful, knights at 65+ are far superior to DE. This is easily demonstrated by the korean servers where the top 78 DE can't beat Posideon Arakis or Light (the 80 knights) due to the fact knights get much better hit/dmg bonuses.

The ep6 changes have seen alot of damage done to DE, with alot of DE quitting or rerolling to knights due to the new morphs (which are insanely slow) and the fact knights are buffed quite well with new skills and weapons.

I very much hope alot of this 'lets ruin DE' doesn't reach the USA servers, but it does look like it will since Fracas doesn't care at all about DE and the official boards are closed to new registrants where current users seem to mostly be knights who do little but insist on DE nerfs. Also itemization since CaptSturm left seems be fairly stagnant and catering more and more to people complaining then making the US servers more interesting and fun to play on, but that may just be me.

Well if these changes do come to ep6 I suppose it will be goodbye again since DE is getting less and less appealing and lineage 1 along with it T.T


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hmmmmmmmmmm 52 dk morph

hmmmmmmmmmm 52 dk morph de>52 knight
65 de > 65 knight
75 de > 80 knight
no idea what ur saying


52 DK DE same speed as succ

52 DK DE same speed as succ swing speed. That's what im saying (the tw frame charts state as much when using edo/claws theres no difference between a 40 morph and DK).

in Ep6 DE swing speed are being dramatically reduced so that we are forced to use the new morphs.
oh and FYI 75 < 80 knight. The top DE in the world can't beat the top knights on korean server even once, so don't assume at higher level things stay the same. With the new DE morphs knights always beat DE now since they swing very very slow (its about the same speed as kurtz lol).


In korean server there is a

In korean server there is a counter barrier on something, when episode U is introduced they will recover the dk speed again.


Any changes to swing speed

Any changes to swing speed rate is still up in the air currently regarding episodeU.
However as it stands in Korea and the tw servers DE numbers are falling alot due to the huge nerfs constantly being piled on DE despite quite nice buffs on knights.

I'm just wondering why Fracas doesn't at least make DK usual by DE instead of it swinging incredibly slow, why are DE the only class that suffers from the changes to wep/swing changes (knight has an option to use 1 or 2 hander items, even then its not comparable to swinging normally to swinging like ur cutting through sludge. This may just be my feeling since I personally think the 52 DE morph looks like garbage.
Though the popular sentiment regarding DE (apart from Sk8) is we aren't worth playing compared to knight now.


So.. Level 52 DE morph is as

So.. Level 52 DE morph is as good as old DK, and the main complaint from people is that it's not as pretty? I would go check whether they were in fact, but the US community are as always shafted for info compared to korean or chinese, and I can't be bothered googling for foreign sites and applying crap online translators again.

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No it's actually slower by a

No it's actually slower by a few frames then the old DK. The swing speeds were throttled down overall for DE, the new DE morph swings at a 'normal' speed but DK swing speed is severely slower.
I was wondering if Fracas ever considered making the speed of the DK swing the same as the DE 52 morph so at least we have a choice. Especially since I'm sure there are alot of others out there who consider DK to be the 'goal' in terms of looks for morphs.

edit: I'd like to make it clear I'm not asking DK to be adjusted so it's swinging back at the unadjusted speeds that had DE swinging at the same rate as unbraved 1hander stuff. Just to reduce the edo/claw penalty to the same speed as the 52 DE claw/edo morph.


just quit while u can and

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just quit while u can and make a knight.or an elf..saves u alot of trouble from trying to get change for de class... it can only go down

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Yea considering it, seems

Yea considering it, seems like if Fracas does actually read these boards he either ignores or doesn't care about what people have to say.
At any rate, doesn't hurt me to quit, only came back since I thought Fracas had the competence to realize that he's letting changes go through that make a class garbage (I'm talking about DE swinging at the same rate as a succubus at 52-55 using DE assassin morph, what reward?). However it seems like he only wants to listen to Sk8 and other knight cries for nerfs.
Ah well I'll be canceling all my accounts after this month (I pay for mine, my gf and my bros) since doesn't look like theres any hope for lineage 1.


el oh freaking el. =) I

el oh freaking el. =)

I have not gotten any class nerfed nor made suggestions to do so. The knight debates are a thing of the past now, because that issue has been resolved.

DE is far from weak. I side tank to a defensive stat (not a str/dex de, but a wis/con de with very little str) DE every day and he walks circles around me on what he can do compared to my knight. My knight is nothing more than extra damage to keep the regen down on the boss. Would I want that changed? no. And I dont even mention the DE vs knight debate anymore because in my opinion it is fixed.

Tell me one thing I have suggested as a nerf to another class since then?

And to be honest... If I could trade my knight for an equal level of any other class... It would be a... Royal. Because they are freaking awesome with the buff spells (damage ac and MR omg!!) and items out the (butt) that increase stat points.

btw... Assassin Master (level 52) swings faster than succ morph, noticeably faster. I believe you are looking at the Assassin morph (level 45) swing speed, which is junk after the last episode. If you really want to complain about a morph, complain that DE's are forced to use Demon morph at 51.

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If you haven't called for a

If you haven't called for a nerf on any class since the new t-s implementation then I apologize, I just didn't like coming back to game and seeing alot of posts about the topic especially stuff like remove dodge.
Personally I think no class should be nerfed, every other class should be brought up the par with them. Since we don't have the numbers of the korean servers we should have stronger classes since ep6/U content has been expressively stated as 55+ for zones and NPCs.

I'm not suggesting DE is weak currently, but they are being throttled down in future patches with knights and elves getting alot of new gear, some of it extremely good. So I don't see a point in knights complaining regarding their situation, next patch you'll all be happy again =P

The 52 DE morph is frames slower then DK was originally which is not really a problem, though it is only marginally better then using succ (I wasn't referring to the 45 morph...since we can't use magic in it, I wouldn't even try it lol) . I'm more referring to be the only class penalized for using the best looking morph in the game, which was a goal for many of us.

Anyway, demons not so bad since I don't think many people ever looked forward to using Kurtz, my wonder is since we are using a US server ruleset why can't DK allow DE to use it at the rate of the 52 de morph since many people like it. It wouldn't hurt anyone it'd just make life better for DE, if its practical why not just let DE 52 morph and DK have the same rules for swinging so any class can use it. I wouldn't oppose that.


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Personally I think no class should be nerfed, every other class should be brought up the par with them. Since we don't have the numbers of the korean servers we should have stronger classes since ep6/U content has been expressively stated as 55+ for zones and NPCs.

Classes have to be nerfed. If they just keep getting brought up and brought up then we will have nothing but super classes. The game is already easy enough, we dont need it made easier and easier. Its already solo oriented enough, we dont need it made into a single player game.

We do have stronger classes than Korea. We have no soft ac. Its a huge difference. We have way more of the rare items (de sandals, lich robes, dks, bapho staff, Kaiser, etc etc.) It balances that out. A small group of well organized people can do almost anything in this game. I know, because my pledge does it all the time. Also, I am not sure where you are getting your information from, but most of the Episode 6 (partII) content rebalanced old areas for lower level players, not high end players. It was oriented towards areas like the desert, kent, and various caves that on high population servers low level people (15-40) actually hunt there (because they are forced to). Unlike our servers where low level people hunt higher level places and those other areas are deserted or just bots there.

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'm not suggesting DE is weak currently, but they are being throttled down in future patches with knights and elves getting alot of new gear, some of it extremely good. So I don't see a point in knights complaining regarding their situation, next patch you'll all be happy again =P

Just like Episode 5 brought in new knight spells to fix the knight class? ...Oh wait, all it did was bring in the dream of new knight spells. Until Fracas listened to us and gave us knights the 'skills' in an event... Before that event, those new 'skills' that were supposed to fix the knight class were nothing more than a dream. The drop rate was ridiculous. They didnt fix anything, because no one had them. And from the looks of Episode 6, no one will get the new knight skills anytime soon when that comes out either. Unless Fracas humors us again. And if you are referring to the God weapons of Episode 6 (40/50 +30damage sword, etc) as new items for Elf/Knight, those wont be dropping either. They shouldnt drop. They unbalance things and dont fix anything. And if they do drop itll just be 'nerf nerf nerf' all over the boards because knights will be too uber. That new fire elf spell should be kept very rare also, because it turns elves into knights with gheal and b2s.
Episode 6 wont be making me happy, I think itll just bring up a whole new slew of issues to resolve between the classes. And itll mess up some of the best hunting areas.

Also, my opinion of why they took DK and the 55+ morphs away from DE's was to make it easier for people to differentiate between them when hunting/fighting. So that we can visibly see that its a DE coming (ready to 200hp crit us), or that its a Knight coming (ready to stun us) when they start running towards us. But that is just my opinion, and could be completely wrong =)

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I was assuming DE as a fair

I was assuming DE as a fair standard with classes being brought up to what DE's are in terms of versatility and playability (until ep6). But anyway, it's not a solo game but with the way it's going it will be in time unless the bots get some really good programming to party hunt with non-owners.

I was also referring to the new zones, I've never mentioned rebalancing of old zones since I don't really care about that (others might but It's a non-issue for me).

Fracas will make the new knight spells attainable, it's likely within months of ep6 coming either rates will come adjusted or it'll be a drop-fest event again since when it comes to knight complaints Fracas is pretty good at reacting compared to everybody else's complaints and resolutions.

I was never referring to the unbalanced weapons coming with ep6 since even the appearance of 1 of them would unbalance the server let alone classes. I was actually looking at the extra stuff thats coming along that are knight alternative weapons and some valid upgrades. So once again you guys are getting alot of love so eh, even if they aren't immediately available I'm sure a event will fix that.
As for the elven spells....we'll see.

Anyway compare current situations between DE and Knight only, DE have common Kaiser weapons (which we would all end up having anyway since we can craft it, just a matter of time) against what knights gain in US servers - DKsword, taraks, silver ant wings(u get the biggest benefit over us, 50 vs 20hp) etc etc. Stuff that was meant to be uber rare in addition to lots of valid alternative items like Paag's, Maphs etc.

On comparison DE got Kaiser, which is NOT our top end weapon like DKsword would be for small mops and pvp situations. Our DKsword would either be edoryu of rhonde/the demon stuff/Barnaka claws. So if you think about it that way, knights have been coddled quite alot on our servers. Since we don't even have alternative items (LoA only).

As for the DE morphs in ep6 (55-70) I wouldn't mind them if they didn't mess up our swing rate, I'm not complaining about the way they look at all, I don't mind them.
My complaint (as with many many other DE, just ask on global) has to do with the fugliness of the DE 52 morph, which looks horrible, utterly crap to use (slow or not, its just awful). As for DK vs. the 55+ morphs, the flaw in your argument would have to be DK is a very valid use morph for elves, mages in addition to knights. Only DE gets hurt by it. As you said fire elves and mages are just as dangerous as knights running towards you as a DE would be in DK (since we don't have soft AC and most high level mages have all the lvl 10 spells these days).

Fracas if you even read these boards, give DE back DK .........even if you're so determined to keep slapping our class in the face.


Quote:Anyway compare current

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Anyway compare current situations between DE and Knight only, DE have common Kaiser weapons (which we would all end up having anyway since we can craft it, just a matter of time) against what knights gain in US servers - DKsword, taraks, silver ant wings(u get the biggest benefit over us, 50 vs 20hp) etc etc. Stuff that was meant to be uber rare in addition to lots of valid alternative items like Paag's, Maphs etc.

Excluding the weapon argument (because knights arent damage dealers, they are tanks, des are the damage dealers and they fill that role) and just sticking to the armor that knights gain thats so 'uber'...
You are overlooking one huge thing... No More Soft AC! All those armor items dont do a damn thing for us compared to what removing soft ac (paired with uncanny) did for DE's. The reason there is even HP bonuses on de gear is to counter that soft ac. Without soft ac, yall shouldnt even have that HP gear, but you do get to keep it, so be happy. =)

Another thing about those armors is this... they dont drop (excluding the uber rare tarak items)! They are only in game from the event, and those are slowly getting blown up and away (and banned off with bot accounts). Your items you can get over and over and over.

I am a knight... And I dont use a single piece of all that awesome gear you mention.... Not even APM. Because we have to give up that stuff to get decent MR, and MR is way more important. You say those items are good because they provide HP. They seem good to you because HP is something a DE needs. But its not something a knight needs. We have awesome HP. More HP only helps in a few select situations.

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In this sense our gear is as

In this sense our gear is as situational as yours, when I wear my +8bcomr I lose my 30hp bonus. To get good MR the way to get 100% is shorter for us, but on the same note we also come with alot less hp overall. We come with good MR because having to switch to pure MR items like knights do would destroy our HP and regen to an extent we would be helpless. For example ALA vs. chain mr chest, knights can switch out and lose HP, DE switches out and we're stuffed especially when hunting just ordinary mops.

Since you pointed it out, the reason for HP bonuses on DE items was so our base HP was NOT comparable to knights, meaning we would need to sacrifice AC for HP or MR for HP. It was NOT meant to compensate for soft AC, uncanny dodge was.

I don't know whoever told you that soft AC to hard AC was a big deal for us, it really isn't.
Give back soft AC I could care less, since our tanking ability comes from avoidance (dodge) NOT from damage mitigation like knights. It's a bonus, but that's why in the physical tanking department you got f-ts to help reflect a change.


Uncanny was not meant to

Uncanny was not meant to counter soft ac, your items being safe to +6 and the hp on them counters that (along with your starting stat of 8con). Uncanny was just there to fill the role of Assassin. Someone that hits hard but is hard to hit. But when they get hit, they should be hit hard... Soft ac removed that whole getting 'hit hard' part (the one downfall of the class). And turned them into a class that hits hard, dodges well, and also tanks well...

Admit it... A DE that didnt ruin their stats has the AC of a knight, awesome MR (without many sacrifices, dont forget about silver cloak here now!) and still maintains high HP. All of that, while maintaining the ability to hit like a freaking cannon. The only thing that a knight has left going for them is... Stun!

Here you go man... This is what DE's should dream to be...

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Uncanny was designed to

Uncanny was designed to counter soft AC so we were a viable melee class. Since you read alot of korean/chinese sites or wherever u get ur info from, theres a really old interview that said as much when DE's were released on PF by a dev. The logic behind the HP was to make us choose for tanking and killing.
Our items are safe to 6 (to enhance dodge in pure physical fights) but our HP based items are safe to 4. This is so that MR based attacks would have us chance to HP/MR gear.

As for a DE with a AC of a knight, that's either a very rich DE or one with a shield. For a knight to reach 70ac its much easier then for a DE (who lacks the 10/11/12/13 of a shield not including the raw cost of our gear compared to IBs and junk). A decent DE will sit around 55-60 ac not go any further without the AC bonuses from 18dex or level.

As for that DE, congratz? but anyway level bonuses were meant to help address some of the differences in our damage and hit ability, however US knights are lagging behind in levels against Korean knights which perpetuates this difference you think exists between us.
The issue is then, the fact DE can reach high potential faster then knight can comparatively, for boss hunting AND pvp.


I dont think any difference

I dont think any difference exists. I think the imbalance was corrected. The debate is null o.o

But uncanny still wasnt for countering soft ac. If they didnt want de's to have soft ac, they wouldnt have given it to them. It was meant to make them into Assassins. The role of the class.

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yes it's fixed and there is

yes it's fixed and there is no real reason for it, but arguing is fun imo even if it serves no purpose but just for enjoyment o.o

I think the role of assassin comes from lore not necessarily class design since the way NC looked at it differs from any concept of them fictionally.


I wouldnt quit the game.. i

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I wouldnt quit the game.. i would just quit the class.. thier is still fun to have in other classes.. ..Right now mage been nerfed to hell.. but ima finish leveling it to at least 60 before i go onto another char to lvl

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Cool, so whenever you get

Cool, so whenever you get your DE to 78 come back and bitch.

"Also itemization since CaptSturm left seems be fairly stagnant"?
You clearly do not play Lineage.

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DE's fine until high level

DE's fine until high level and I wasn't even referring to that, it's a simple counter argument for a long run perspective which seems to be exactly what most knights are worried about. Also theres nothing wrong with complaining as long imo as long as we don't advocate nerfs to any class. By your tone though I doubt you could grasp this thread anyway ^^.

Since you want to be patronizing you should have noticed there have been very few new items USruleset only, since he left (Try looking at update thread instead of trying to tear down my criticism). Also I was also advocating for extra stuff to be put in for classes that aren't knights or elves weapon wise (just for fun items, nothing very strong, just usable as a valid alternative since ep6 adds alot of good gear for knight and elf).


BoAElf wrote:DE's fine until

BoAElf wrote:
DE's fine until high level and I wasn't even referring to that

Then why did you say it? I call that referring to it.

BoAElf wrote:
it's a simple counter argument for a long run perspective which seems to be exactly what most knights are worried about. Also theres nothing wrong with complaining as long imo as long as we don't advocate nerfs to any class. By your tone though I doubt you could grasp this thread anyway ^^.

1) Oh, that's why.
2) And imo there's something wrong with complaining about things you heard about on Korean Test that probably won't be here (if at all) for another year.
3) That hurts

BoAElf wrote:
Since you want to be patronizing you should have noticed there have been very few new items USruleset only, since he left (Try looking at update thread instead of trying to tear down my criticism). Also I was also advocating for extra stuff to be put in for classes that aren't knights or elves weapon wise (just for fun items, nothing very strong, just usable as a valid alternative since ep6 adds alot of good gear for knight and elf).

1) I was not patronizing you. I was telling you that since your point hinges on "knights are fine once we're all lvl 80", I will take it seriously when you are level 80.
2) Did you not log in during this event? T-Shirts? Hand of Reaper? I think if anything, Fracas has gone overboard with item creation recently. This is not Diablo. There is not supposed to be a plurality of items in Lineage, it was not designed that way, and some stats/regens/resistances simply can't take any more. They also cannot "create" content here, only modify it, so again, limited. Capt had 6 years worth of requests to implement all at once.
3) I responded curtly because I think that your post contains no valid/worthwhile ideas and is just pointless class whining. I was upset that I read the whole thing. We've been down this road a thousand times. Changes are coming. If they suck too bad, Fracas will undo them. Why are you already bitching about something that is not even within the foreseeable future?


No my point was the class

No my point was the class design was already fine since it was meant to balance in the first place.
Now place the fact that alot of 60+ knights have DKsword coupled with APM (50hp) Silver Ant Wings and Taraks, US knights didn't really have a need to whine so much. The tests of the 75+ chars were done with knights with far less superior items (since after all dks, hp bonuses are not common at all in korean servers), so that helps to bridge the gap between US DE and US knights pre 70. I thought I wouldn't have to point that out.

As for itemization, yes it isn't Diablo but the itemization for weapons is heavily limited towards 1 class (knights). I don't see why every other class can't have fun little toys to, nothing unbalancing, just extras.

As for why I've made this post, it's simple, the stuff that's coming and the stuff that has happened, are deterrents against people actually renewing their accounts if they're DEs in lineage. Knights have little to complain about since you never actually get nerfed signifcantly, sit pretty and pet yourself.
In fact knights only need to play catch up (which is what they're doing).

If you actually read the thread you would have noticed I was pointing mostly to simply making 1 change to actually give motivation to DEs to play,that's to let us use DK at the same speed rate as the 52 DE morph. Nothing big, but a world of difference to most DE (least thats the impression I got from all the DE players I've talked with in-game). I'm sorry I don't whine and complain like knights that I NEED changes to my class so I'm superior in some respect *cough*TS/nerf dodge blah blah*cough*


Why are you repeatedly

Why are you repeatedly bringing up a dead issue?

The knight debate ended months ago, where were you then with all these comments you have now? I dont see any knights complaining anymore. Where are all these complaints and cries for nerf that you are claiming you see? Are you still reading board posts from 4 months back or something?

And from rereading your posts its becoming painfully clear exactly what your problem is.. You are a DE, and you are scared that your god class is going to get the nerf stick... You counter your own points over and over... Let me give you some examples..

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. Knights have little to complain about since you never actually get nerfed signifcantly, sit pretty and pet yourself.
In fact knights only need to play catch up (which is what they're doing).

Here you say... they need to play catch up... Yet here...

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I'm sorry I don't whine and complain like knights that I NEED changes to my class so I'm superior in some respect *cough*TS/nerf dodge blah blah*cough*p

You say all knights do is complain that they need fixed when no fix is needed?

Which one is it man... Do they need to play catch up, or dont they? If they need to play catch up, why cant the ask for it? (Btw, they stopped asking for it, the issue was fixed a while back with the FTS. The debate is long gone.)

Now... You all say you dont whine and complain about anything 'like the knights do' yet here we have a whole thread of it... So do you, or dont you? What exactly is it that you want?

It seems to be that your whole complaint is that they took away DK from you... Why bring up all this other stuff when all you needed to say is 'give us back DK please'?

Now, back to this statement...

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Knights have little to complain about since you never actually get nerfed signifcantly, sit pretty and pet yourself.

Not all nerfs come in the form of a direct 'nerf'. Some come in the form of... every other class (or one in particular) gets brought up to your level, and then beyond it... So ya, they didnt get nerfed, but there was still an inbalance created that needed a fix, and a fix was made.

And this one..

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Now place the fact that alot of 60+ knights have DKsword coupled with APM (50hp) Silver Ant Wings and Taraks, US knights didn't really have a need to whine so much.

Again, you are like 4 months behind here... Where are all these knights that are complaining now? I know knights used to complain (ya, because I was one of them.) But they arent anymore. And they were complaining BEFORE all the awesome gear that dropped in the island event. I dont see them complaining now.... Why do you say they are?

Again, it seems the issue is you are a DE and you watched your god class get brought down to the level of other classes and knight class brought up to some form of equal comparison to your god class and you dont like it. So say that, instead of all this long lost debate stuff you keep bringing up.

And I have good news for you.
De's get DK back post Episode 6 (partI.) Just got to sit and wait for it.

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Well to be honest it's

Well to be honest it's simple frustration, we don't have access to the real boards so I can't argue with the threads already existing there (weird stuff like the High end knight weapon, knight pet stuff that seems very weird). My concern is if Fracas actually bothers to read these so on the off chance he does, I can post my complaints and fears (that affect all the DEs I know and who consider our class to be a joke).

As for whether knights need to be brought up to DE currently, I was pointing out US knights are on par with DE thanks to the drop events. Since you do read the threads my reason for saying knights keep complaining is because of the constant asking on the official boards for more knight stuff. Quite alot of which is actually the same as complaining.

I don't care if my class is a God class in your eyes, I just want to protect my class from nerfs, I haven't suggested any nerfs for knight, mage or elf have I? Once again I'm all for buffing classes til they catch up with each other, I just don't like nerfs that can make a class a joke, DE or not.

As for DK and the DE swing speed, I'm advocating for it now. It's not balance affecting in any way, there's no reason for Fracas to not give it back to us.


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As for whether knights need to be brought up to DE currently, I was pointing out US knights are on par with DE thanks to the drop events. Since you do read the threads my reason for saying knights keep complaining is because of the constant asking on the official boards for more knight stuff. Quite alot of which is actually the same as complaining.

Well this statement should answer that... (from me)

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Again, it seems the issue is you are a DE and you watched your god class get brought down to the level of other classes and knight class brought up to some form of equal comparison to your god class and you dont like it.

No, knights dont need to be brought up anymore. DE's dont need to be brought down anymore. All classes are pretty much equal. They all got brought up to DE God status which turns everyone back to just being 'normal'.

You will also notice, by reading those threads, that this knight (probably the biggest advocate for knight change in the past) shoots down all the new knight suggestions that you mention...

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First thing...why did u

First thing...why did u quote urself? o.o

But anyway, that's why as I've said before, I apologize if I mistook your statements previously regarding your current position on Knight vs other classes.
My posts were in regards to Mort who needed me to spell out why knight wasn't deficient at high level and why US knights aren't deficient to US DE anymore.

Anyway my main thing is giving us back DE.
No.2 is why isn't there more itemization for USA only like there is for knight. Elves have sayha x-bow but little else, mages have an abundance of bapho staffs, DE has Kaiser (but no alternatives).
Why doesn't Fracas add more balanced items as valid alternatives to the stuff we already have? I thought fun was meant to be the point of the US ruleset, not stagnation.


I quoted myself because I

I quoted myself because I had already answered your question... So I was just showing you that answer.

And chances are the reason Fracas isnt busy giving us fun little things to play with like you want is this...
He is only one man, with a very limited staff... And he only has 2 (visible) arms... He could give you all this stuff you ask for, or he can work on getting us caught up on new content from Korea... Ill take the latter.

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But you said you don't want

But you said you don't want ep6 =P


Got to get the crap from

Got to get the crap from Epi6 before we can get to the good stuff of Epi6 part II. =/

and then on to EpiU!

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For the record, I play a

For the record, I play a Knight and a Mage. I know people from all classes whine, but I cannot be held accountable for that. I supported the recent magic nerfs to mages even though that's my primary character because I knew it was a long time coming and needed to be done. As I suspected, Fracas realized it was a bit harsh and suddenly we have an event with +2int for mages. Coincidence? Maybe.

When DEs were implemented, they were purposely made far stronger than knights. The obvious reason was to give people a reason to switch over to the new hotness, but this also set them up for a series of eventual nerfs/no buffing while other classes got buffed. It was a bit of a dirty trick, but I think it was fairly obvious as well. How angry were high level knights when a new class could suddenly destroy them at much lower levels (I recall a series of videos of a 52 DEs beating ~65 knights)?

At this point, I think they (DEs) have probably been balanced long enough and will shortly be the recipients of some love. We know their turn is coming around and Fracas does as well. But I don't understand why people think it's okay for a level 55 knight, who has played twice as long as DEs have existed, to be bested by a 51 DE. If they are equally funded that is still currently the case. You say knights got DK swords? Okay, those are selling for around 600m on Dep right now. For 600m a DE can get a +8 or +9 kaiser weapon and still be better off. How many DEs in Korea have +9 kaiser weapons? Sure Knights have gotten some better AC since DEs came around, but it isn't exactly cheap either.

Bottom line is, DEs and Knights are different and should not be good at the same things. Knights should tank better and DEs should do more damage. The problem then is that DEs already do a LOT of damage, and they can't do a whole lot more before it's unbalanced. So, with ep 6, when DEs are getting even better weapons (Ronde, etc), they chose to hurt them in a different way, e.g. stunlock with the new morphs. I find that balanced. I think they are looking for a creative direction to take DEs that differentiates them from Knights and I think that's a good thing.

As for novelty items, sure knock yourselves out. I personally don't have any interest in that type of stuff and tend to think it's just unecessary clutter, but I know people who just love their Lance of Aden too.


Only gonna address one point

Only gonna address one point here since I don't disagree with the longer stun lock etc

The reason it's reasonable for a 51 DE to ruin a 55+ knight is because at higher level the knight will destroy the DE. Keeping in mind again the US items vs. korean etc. The gap exists since Korean devs are working toward the overall goal that people will level past 70 unlike our servers. Maybe Fracas needs to address this, I wouldn't know how to without making knights destroy DE even more at higher level.

Alot of problems seems to stem from soft ac vs hard ac. Personally I don't care since my DE has -68ac (mind you I'm 16 dex) and I dodge most of what tries to hit me anyway. Being hit bothers me in the first place, so putting back soft AC isn't a problem with me as long as balance was restored with F-TS and Knight high level gear.


Can you please point me to

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Can you please point me to an item that is created only for Dark Elves and only on US Server?

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When will we get episode

When will we get episode 6?
date and time plz :P