Yup that's it, since my other post is super cluttered now that the point is fairly gone.
Fracas give DE DK back, we shouldn't have to wait for the ep6 (after initial) releases for it.
DK is a motivator for people to level, alot of DE quit or just stopped levelling after the change, give it back to us. If need be give the other classes use of our garbage morph (52 DE morph). Just throttle the swing speed to be the same as the DE morph and it'll be fine. It hurts no one for it to change.
If your goal is to make people play private servers where content is fixed in days then you are succeeding. If they can fix DK in a hour then I'm sure you can change it to. Please don't make the excuse 'I'm concentrating on episode 6', it's a minor and very motivating change.
I don't think it's a matter
I don't think it's a matter of having time to restore DK swing speeds for DEs, I think it's a matter of not wanting to.
I suspect the nerf to the level 52 morphs for DEs was intentional because they were so strong. It's a matter of balance. If they were to restore the DK morph (personally I like being able to tell the difference between classes when they are in polly) they would have to nerf them in another way.
I'm not sure what that would be. I guess they would have to lower damage output by perhaps nerfing the buffs or weapons across the board to accomplish the same reduction in damage achieved through the morph change.
I'm not advocating a
I'm not advocating a restoration to former swing rates with DK.
I'm asking for DK swing rate to be increased to same as the DE only morph so we can at least use DK.
Every class can use DK except dark elves effectively. At 55 it makes sense since elves have bow, mage has mage, knight has sword morphs. At 52 theres only DK and DE for actual real use then DE got our stupid morph that just makes us look like garbage.
This has nothing to do with damage outputs since it would be exactly the same as our DE only morph.
Ok. I understand now. You
Ok. I understand now.
You just like the LOOK of the DK.
I guess that's a reasonable request (although i still personally like being able to tell classes apart in combat).
hehe yup, well compare DK to
hehe yup, well compare DK to the DE only morph...and you get why so many DE have no motivation to play lol.
For us it makes a huge difference, since I don't actually know anyone who hates how DK looks.
Dark elves are going to
Dark elves are going to hell.. no fun playing them after morph nerfs.. so have fun while u can
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they only got 52 nerfs?55
they only got 52 nerfs?55 are still good. and DE players~u r getting ur 55 nerf before the 52 restore~
Actually after initial
Actually after initial episode 6 release all swings get normalized again since to many DEs quit.
However I wonder how NCUSA will handle it since alot of us DE won't come back if ep6 garbage rates come then get fixed since we'll have moved on, just like Korea where lots of DE just quit.
You should all be happy, it'll just mean less real players, have fun with bots? lol
The swing rate gets restored
The swing rate gets restored eventually, go ahead and give it to 'em now Fracas.
While you are at it, return the swing rates on two handed weapons at the same time, because those swing rates are coming back as well, the same time that DE's get DK back. (In korea)
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I'd go along with that,
I'd go along with that, minor changes that make a difference to people.
The only nerf they are
The only nerf they are getting at 55 is movement speed. The swing speed is the same,
only nerf if they dont use the dark elf poly. Fracas make a new 52+ de morph it sucks...
Never explain. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyway.
are u sure about that
are u sure about that movement speed..
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It's actually slightly
It's actually slightly slower from the original speed by frame according to tests from the tw servers.
Movement speed is the same, but who knows with what NC does.
Oh well, Fracas DK for DE now please -.-;
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De's are uber i would like
De's are uber i would like to see that class removed from the game but since that cant happen i think they need some kind of ner being about to swing fater than a knight on braves is crazy and a knight is supposed to be the tank not the de. anyway just my opinion but i think htings are fine the way that they are..
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hehe, de has never and will
hehe, de has never and will never swing faster than a knight. it hasn't happened before. its not on any of the coming episode. i donno where you got this idea or why you'd think DEs are uber. imo mages are uber. they can solo lastabad bosses while de can only dream of it. they pwn all door way fights and is the most important class in seiges.
yes mages are uber and if anyone challenge that, they haven't played this game long enough or know a good mage who can destroy any class at any time. and thats fine cuz mages are now in the shadows. of course knights are on the spot light to become uber now. nc have hard time balancing classes and instead of trying to balance a class. they take turns to put each class on the spotlight. knights really deserve to be in the spotlight. 8 years ago for about 3 years knights enjoyed extreme uberness. they pwned all. everyone called for their nerf and they were left in the dust for nearly 5 years and now its their time to enjoy the spotlight. i sincerely hope knights get enough skill updates to be truely fun to play once again.
de has gone down hill ever seen armor break was taken away and replaced with double break. ingredient was added as well that requires us to turn stones everyday in preparation for a hunt. we can't morph into deathknight which was the symbol of achievement to reaching level 52. update was made so that our shadow fang doesn't stack with bless weapon. our dodge was nerfed not once not twice but three times. unlike knights we can't carry 300+ pots. in fact my de can carry 40 aoj pot before going heavy. as a melee class its ridiculous and does not give me any option but to wear ogre belt. itemization for DE is pitiful compared to every other class. just look at the secret island event. only de worthy item that dropped was kedo/kclaw. why? because there aren't any good de specific items. i can only think of one, tarak cloak. our magic ability stopped updating for years. we are still at level 3 magic while elf and mages are at their near completion especially with coming ep6.
no muddy, we aren't uber nor should we be removed from game for your misunderstanding. once knight is finished with their spot light, i'm sure another class will enjoy a spotlight. and someday de will get new updates and once again be in the spotlight. thats just how it has always been.
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This is probably the main
This is probably the main reason I don't understand NC devs, most good MMOs (talking about the big ones like WoW, Eve, EQ etc) all have updates made for focusing on a class but with balancing + minor updates for other classes/races. NC seems to only do one at a time letting all other classes linger one or with very tiny updates.
Another big issue is the approach NC (in all regions until epU) took of ignoring the player base, with minimal interaction and feedback regarding suggestions until they become overly extensive. NCK has seen the repercussions of being douches and not caring about a population base with massive fleeing from their servers. NCA should at least listen now, since unlike the Korean servers, a fraction of the population leaving is devastating especially on dep and ken servers.
When ep6 goes live and if it goes live without the subsequent patches already being integrated it'll be great watching people leave. Maybe that's exactly NCA's plan, depopulate Ken and Dep and merge them with each other or LoA.
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I sure hope they listen to at least some of the many requests that have been made..
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I just hope they listen to
I just hope they listen to Soomy =P
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Hehe mages are great, I
Hehe mages are great, I won't complain about them since it's always been their province to do things other classes couldn't ever do alone. Mages are great since they have the array of spells to do alot more.
Personally since knights have DKswords/Valds etc it'd be nice for them to increase the drops of Barnaka claws or in the next item drop event have those + the demon level and new edo/claw from ep6(assuming ep6 comes out before this) instead of kaiser all the time. Kaiser is great, but we DE can make it regardless while all other class get their super uber rare drop items like dks destroy etc.
Oh well I can dream that Fracas even cares about DE^^
Though I'd settle for him replying to this post and letting us know his position on giving us DK pre ep6 part 2/3.
From what I can tell Fracas
From what I can tell Fracas is working on EP6, and I hope they read the writing on the NCK walls...Don't release EP6 part 1 without releasing EP6 part 2 with or very shortly afterward EP6 part 1 (like 1-4 weeks).
Hehe yea. but knowing how NC
Hehe yea. but knowing how NC operates in all their games they probably will release them part by part then wonder why so many people left.
what im refering to as uber,
what im refering to as uber, is the ablity that u have to not be hit ive played de before to lvl 45 i know there are not 100% uber. I enjoyed playing the class and regret deleting the char i had. what is uber about a de is i can stand toe to toe with one in a door way on my elf with 24 dex and still only hit with 1-3 shots from my bow. that to me is uberness. it may seem different on the other end im sorry that i did not make that clear in my post >.< im good at that tho lol. leaving things out. ha ha ha
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Papi loves the DE but placed
Papi loves the DE but placed the DE on the back burner to lvl the royal.
I agree that the DK poly should at least swing as fast as an unpolied DE.
I did see the new DE polies for 55,60,65,70 on youtube and I am willing to take my de to 55 to get that as soon as it's released.
IMHO I think that updates to lin are a long time behind schedule and we need updates quick. Enough of the impossible crafting items. Make Bring stones drop as much as braves, De's have to change the bring stone anyway which means most de get only 50 darks out of 100 brings if they are lucky.
To be fair de can carry allot less than knights but we get hit allot less than they do also so it's almost balanced but I cannot imagine playing a de without an ogre belt. De should be able to at least carry 1/2 to 3/4 the amount of pots that knights with the same stats do.
I beg to differ with those who say de's are not tanks. De's are just a different type of tank. One swings fast and carries tons and one does more damage, carries less, swings slower and walks slower. Yes I have a knight and a de. Actually I have 2 of each.
For those intent on saying that DE's are an assassin class please tell me how? What is a DE gonna sneak up on to assassinate? The last time I checked you had to be stealthy and sneak up on your pray and kill it to be considered an assassination. When I am running at a boss mop invis or in regular poly that mop/player is not fooled into thinking that no on poses them any danger or that I am being stealthful and they cannot notice me. Want to add the assassin mode into a de? Make it that the DE Blind Hiding cannot be shown by a detection and leave the duration the same. Make it when a de is in blind hide NO mops can see him then I would be an assassin.
Give the de a 52 DE poly that we can use that will make us level or better the DK for the 52 de.
And PLEASE hurry on EP6 and the new 55+ de polies...
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As for what we can carry
As for what we can carry etc, most people are happy to always assume in their scenarios that we have healer mages following us around. So balance is never really considered on their part. They see DE as a high damage melee class with no defects. For all those people who whine, l2play. It's called cancel.
Some people say DE is an assassin class because of their 'lore' in the lineage story. However lineage's game system cannot convey the sense of what this truly is due to the actual game design. It's impractical to have a DE function in the same way a rogue in WoW does for instance.
They simply say it to try to justify asking for DE nerfs or trying to block buffs or upgrades to their own classes.
Ima DE .. o.0 .. newly 52. I
Ima DE .. o.0 .. newly 52.
I don't mind having to use the Asassin Master poly to swing my K-Smash Weapons.
The Assassin Master morph did seem to walk a fuzz slower than DK though.
I found (in my brief experimenting) that if Im swinging a stick (wheither a dagger
or Sword) the DK poly is faster than the A.M.
If I wana "gofast" somewhere, I'd be a goat anyway .. I like the look of DK but
doubt I'll use it much as there isn't much out there that'll incline me to swing anything
other than the best Melee weapons I posses. Lest it turns out the Finger of Death was
worth haul'in round all those dayum Quest pecies for like the last 6 mo. and after reviweing
the stats on it, I don't see it as good a hunting weapon as the K-Claw.
There is that certian glory that comes with "DK" poly, I'd use it if it were benificial.
It does seem a little rediculius to me that a morph would function differently for one player
than another based on Class .. this holds true for NO other morph (correct me if Im wrong .. pls)
that said .. I will use what NC provides me that gives the best advantage.
I don't think the the DE Class is "The Uberest" .. I do prefer it as it seems to me one of the most versitile and more enjoyable to play. Every Class has it's strenghts and its weaknesses true that
perhaps mabey some more than others. Im sure NC will continue to work on keepin' that revolving door goin' round n' round.
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DE are highly messed up
DE are highly messed up until epU when all swing speeds get normalized and we no longer get penalties to using claw/edo in any morph, on the converse other classes can use our morphs.
Currently as it stands:
Demon (no penalty to edo/claw)
Kurtz (penalty to swing speed with edo/claw)
DK (penalty to swing speed with edo/claw)
A-M (penalty to non-edo/claw, so using anything but edo claw results in it swinging very slowly, the same as with DE using DK but on the inverse.)
FoD is garbage and I very much resent people stating K-Claw/Edo is the 50 quest reward. It is NOT, it is meant to be the defining difference for damage between under 50 DE and above 50 DE. If it seems normal for US players it because NCA made it common via drop events.
End game DE weapons are: Demon Edo/Claw, Barnaka Claw and Edoryu of Rhonde. K-weapons are basically like TSU against DKS against these weapons. K-weapons are NOT end game weapons for DE like DKS and KV are for Knights.
I don't see why DKS/KV drops for knights yet our DE end game stuff never drops (1 in all the servers for Barnaka, rly rly?)
Anyway for all the knights saying DB is garbage, if you play on Ken, as MaxRnzII to hit you with his +9DB, It hurts far far more then a TSU since it crits. It's like a DKS without the spell animation. Luck of the draw.
Many, Many good points. The
Many, Many good points. The FoD that DE get for level 50 Quest sucks. No, DE do not get a HOD, or Kweapon at level 50 (At least not anymore anyway)
Here is a video of the new 55,60,65,70 DE Morph.
This poly looks like it's gonna rock
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