Ok so i was playing on FVB with a low lvl char (yes i know its a combat zone i dont wanna hear it) two players that i know BOTTED to the lvl they are showed up and repeatedly tried to kill me on my low lvl char. i whispered a monitor and told the monitor what was going on. Now the monitor tells me to CONTACT SUPPORT TEAM .. ok so first now i hate monitor 78 but to go on further i know the monitors can warn players of things before to try to resolve some kind of problem i have seen it done before in TOS etc. in responses from the NC Soft Support Team i was instructed basicly to not hunt there anymore! what the hell is this. GM LemonCobra said this to me. ok now my question is how does this stop the harassment? granted me not hunting there im not being attacked BUT what about the other players that are being attacked by these ppl, im not the only one. what makes me more and more angry was that monitor78 came to my location not once but TWICE and observed the situation..
Yeah Contact support and support does nothing as far as im concerned the mons are a waist of nc money if all they gonna do is tell u to contact support. i mean hell they dont ban bots they dont do anything..
It's fair game play,
It's fair game play, unfortunately. The characters in question being botted or not does not effect the 'harassment' claim. And its not really harassment. Its just pvping in a pvp zone, its normal game play. Its easily avoidable on your end, by taking the advice of the GM.
I understand your frustration, but there is nothing NC can do against the accused for doing this. They are just playing the game. I would just suggest banding together with your pledge and 'harassing' them back. If there are two of them, bring four against them.
You should see the 'harassment' things that happen on pvp servers that go way beyond simple attacking... that people get away with. And NC cant do anything to those people either. I understand its bad getting killed when its out of your control (beyond leaving the hunting area.) But imagine this... On pvp servers, if you hunt with pets or summons, they will ebind you, make you chaotic while you sit there and watch, and then kill you so that you drop one or more of your hard earned items. All of this, and nothing you can do to prevent it.
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mmm... not the harrasment i
mmm... not the harrasment i had in mind when i clicked this thiread lol x.x
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Sk8 im not sisagreeing with
Sk8 im not sisagreeing with u about that yes and in case u for got i do play pvp servers but this is SUPPOSED to be a NON pvp server so as far as im conserned that behavior on a player that is just hunting not mop thiefing or drop theifing or anything like that is Un exceptable.. if i want pvp i go to LOA or DEP i dont do it on ken.. and for a monitor to stand there not once but twice and do nothing is what agravated me to begin with. and now support tells me that they cant do anything and i think its a crock!
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The monitor stands there and
The monitor stands there and does nothing because there is nothing for him to do (and is a waste of his time to even go). What is he supposed to do? Tell the player 'please leave her alone'? If a monitor told me that I would deliberately keep doing it just to spite him and the harassed player. There is nothing against the rules about fighting in a fight zone. If you dont want to fight or be attacked, stay out of an area that you can be. The rest of the beach to the south west is perfect. Same mops, same spawn, no being attacked.
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That is oversimplifying the
That is oversimplifying the issue.
As stated below, they can and sometimes do step in when a player is "harassed" in the "combat" zones. The problem is simply being attacked is not really harassment. If you can demonstrate that you are being singled out and the action taken against you is intended to ruin your gaming experience, they can (but usually won't) intervene.
I have seen it happen.
When Injyahard was killing pets on FV Beach, I started killing the pets of any SLM member that stepped on the beach and attacking the players. After they died or escaped, I would tell them I would stop when their pledge booted Injyahard or he stopped doing it.
For that ... I was asked by a monitor to stop.
Your situation sounds much
Your situation sounds much more like harassment than the random pk's of muddy's situation.
You deliberately went after a specific person/persons, not just anyone.
The attacker in muddy's situation just went after anyone on the beach. Doesnt sound to me that he was singling anyone out.
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You might recall I asked in
You might recall I asked in advance about it on the official boards, got no response from NC so I went with it.
You are right, though, it is different.
As I said earlier if you can prove that a person is singling out a person or group of people you can make a case. Otherwise, good luck.
Every once in a while, if it
Every once in a while, if it gets way out of hand, they will step in; but it does not happen very often. You have to be able to demonstrate repeated behavior over a long time that clearly singles out a specific person. Even then there is no guarantee NC will do anything about it.
Honestly, I'm kind of glad that spot is there. It provides an opportunity to settle differences outside of siege times and adds something to the game. The thing that sucks is the location. Because everyone walks through or by that spot on their way to hunt elsewhere in FV, it often has the best spawn in the game.
Just make a note of their names and pledges if they have one. We'll find alternative ways of handling it.
thank you Mr C, what im
thank you Mr C, what im refering to is the fact that Mrhood on his mage in a different pledge walked out into the area while the monitor was present and was repeatedly attacked infront of the monitor as i did the same thing in front of them monitor. and what the monitor told me was to contact support. this same person/pple also attacked mrhood again today repeatedly. why should I have to change my hunting grounds for the inapproprite behavior of these ppl? u can garentte that anyone that goes out there and sees these players. i delt with some ppl in TOS with a few people and they were purposly attacking our monsters and we called a monitor and the monitor told the players that they were harassing us and that if it kept up the player would be banned, it was some SLM members. they no longer bother us and have appoligized repeatedly to us for it. now the monitor seeing what happend should have infact stepped in because the monitor witnessed it. he told me to contact support and when i did that after running around the website for 30 min, i was informed to not hunt there anymore. now if someone says something on global its considered harassment how is this not. want ppl to go see what im talking about. if u whisper me in game i will tell ya the names.
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It just goes to show that
It just goes to show that SK8 if you knew half as much as you thought you did, you would know twice as much as you do. I have been in this situation before many years before you even played and a monitor stepped in and asked the players to stop what they were doing. It was when FVB first came into the game. So it is no different know then it was then, back then they thought that it was fun to kill low lvl players who were trying to get the exp needed to get to the next lvl, but the monitors would ask them to stop and go about there business and stop harassing other players.
First, dont make this
First, dont make this personal. You dont know me. If you did, you would know that I have been playing since way before FV came out as well... So clearly you weren't in this situation 'years' before I played since you claim it happened at FV... (To quote you 'It was when FVB first came') The truth gets you a lot further than making things up. I am honest, and that hurts peoples feelings, but I am not going to lie to someone because they are afraid to hear the truth.
And the truth is this... (Which is evident from the dealings with Support, and the Monitor, detailed in this thread.)
No one is going to be banned for attacking someone in an area designated for attacking someone. Unless it is proven that that person deliberately only attacks one person, or a group of people, and leaves others alone. And that the attacker, does it over and over, deliberately to 'harass' the attacked players. Which isnt the case. He, or they, are attacking anyone in the area. Not just her and her friends, but anyone that isnt one of the attackers friends or allies. Why are they doing it? To have fun. Not to harass.
To repeatedly return to an area that is going to get you attacked is your fault, not the attackers. Stay out, they will have no one to kill, they will leave, and you can go back about your hunting. There are HUGE areas of fv that have the same mops, same spawn, and you wont get attacked there. Continually returning to an area you know will get you attacked is ignorant.
There are two choices... Fight them back, or stay away.
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Not once in my post does it
Not once in my post does it say anything about getting someone banned. That is not what was askked of the monitor or support. We understand that it is a combat zone and they have all the right to attack other players, but how does it not really make it harassment if it is repeatedly time after time. really to me it makes no difference because there is no EXP loss it just get annoying to have to rebuff and poly.When there is a group of people that consent to go out and kill each other thats fine and fun to break the grind of lvling. but to have these player killing other that dont want to be killed or fight isn't right either. Mr C said it right that the monitors sometimes will step in but it isn't very often.
For all either of us know,
For all either of us know, the Monitor very well might have whispered the player and asked them if they could not continue attacking people on the beach... And for all we know, the player could have said 'No thank you Monitor, this is fun!' And that would have been the end of the interaction between them... The monitor is not their mother, nor ours... He isnt going to send us to our room to think about what we did. =/
I am not saying that it is not annoying to get killed when you dont want to...
All I am saying is the Monitor, and Support, did everything you could expect them to in this case. As no party involved was doing anything against the rules... The conflict resolution is entirely in the hands of those players involved. And taking half a second to step out of the combat zone could have saved those involved time, money, and frustration. And the Monitors could have gone on to do some real policing of bots and what not.
If Muddy or you were individually singled out, followed around, and griefed... Then I am sure the monitor would have stepped right in and resolved the situation.
I had a very dear friend who loved to do this same thing every time she had a bad day... She would go to FV beach and wreak havoc! Because it was fun for her.
Just curious... What was the point of going to support then?
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Maybe it is someone playing
Maybe it is someone playing on DEP too and got owned by you there. Payback situation?
i just recently started on
i just recently started on dep my char is only lvl 26 i cant "own" anyone there yet, and if u go to saying loa dont bother because im just a heal slave there o.o. i dont like to pvp thats why i spend most of my time on ken!
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This is why I level. This is
This is why I level.
This is why I grind..
This is why I spend so much time in gtv buying and reselling and doing my research to make a strong character.
It was for this reason that I spent so many nights awake leveling, and leveling and leveling.
When I just started the game I was repeatedly killed on FVB by characters that were 50+ and I was like level 40.
I still continue to grind and level and am just now reaching a level that "I think" I can hold my own.
at least for a while anyway.
But I do agree this is Ken. The reason many of us play this server is because we do not want to PVP.
I was a programmer and I believe the reason why parts of FVB are combat areas is because of shotty, lazy programming. They cannot "turn off" the area during non seige times and it would be too much to ask to make a clearer "line" for us to see that you are standing in a combat area.
It took me a while to figure out where the combat area begins on FVB and the only way to really see it is walk the perimeter of the flags during a seige.
Ken is supposed to be non pvp. If I want to PVP I go to a seige or go to another server. I am always kind to noobs, at first at least, because they do not know the game as well as all of you high level characters. I do not include myself in the high level character genre.
There are Many suggestions that I can give to NC on how to fix this on ken but they would go on deaf ears. Like the inability to be able to hit a player anywhere if player is 4 levels above or below you if not during a seige. Yes I know you guys camp for bots at the seige line but how about nc get rid of the botters and botted characters better.
I see that many PVP when they get bored of the grind. Get an Alt, go to a DM, log off and do a real life activity just leave the other players alone and let them get their 15 dollars worth.
I have said it before and I'll say it again. Monitors don't do the banning. NC support supposedly does.
Monitors are only there to watch global for cursing and typewritten harassment.
Geez, I found a letter on the floor in Oren that offered a lvling service by a bot. I called a monitor to my location. I was surprised when the monitor showed up. I was more surprised when I saw the monitor go visible and pick up the letter. Then I was disappointed when the monitor dropped the letter back on the ground and told me to take a screenshot of the letter and write to support. zz
To me Ken is now PVB Player vs Bots and I am trying to do my part to outhunt the botted characters.
Get organized and dominate the hunting area so we can offer the rest of the server those items needed at non bot prices and bring this game back to the people not the machines.
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thanks papi this is some of
thanks papi this is some of the things that i was trying to get across. maybe i wasnt completely clear i have the tendancy when anger stricks to skip over things and write random thoughts. or leave things out completely the point is that this is a NON PVP server and this contiunued behavior from 3-4 people (i believe all the same person just different chars.) is un acceptable.
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Papi get some sleep!!!! you
Papi get some sleep!!!! you know you cant outhunt me :P
because the monitor told me
because the monitor told me to go to support and report the incident to them. that is what we did. u really should read before u go responding to things SK8. all u do on these boards is cause arguements. why dont u read reread and read again because ur not reading it all or maybe not comprehending what is being said! god for once in ur life pay attention. and if i lose karma for this i dont care. im sick of responding to u and wont do it anymore. read the first post on this thread and see what it says. how old are u anyway 10?
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Nope, I read it very
Nope, I read it very clearly.
The Monitor played the classic move... There was nothing he could do, but you wanted answers... So instead of continuing to waste his time, he sent you to support so that you could get an answer and he could move on to real problems. The answer from Support wasn't what you wanted, so you brought it here in hopes that Fracas will get you what you wanted.
The Monitor did his job. Support did their job. No one was doing anything wrong. The whole conflict could have ended 5 seconds after it began... Or could have become twice as fun (instead of frustration) if the attacked had fought back. I am not seeing the point of making this thread.
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If u dont see the point in
If u dont see the point in the thread then why must u comment?? Do u want Karma so bad that u feel the need to post on every single thread that comes across? and why is it that u feel the need to argue with EVERYONE that posts something. let me make this clear u are not allways right and u do NOT know everything so stop acting like u do!
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