If you logged in recently you noticed that the message boards are gone from towns. Most of you probably don't really care much, but this sets a dangerous precedent.
R.I.P.
Why are the message boards gone? Because the people who still have forum accounts decided it was a good idea. Do you know who USED the message boards? People who have less time for Lineage than the forum regulars. Fracas has begun to ask about things like this here on LinOne and it seems evident that the feedback he gets here is very different from the inbred (feedback, not people afaik!) feedback he gets at lineage.com. Why not this?
I realize this may seem like a very small bone to pick, but when staff are regurgitating lines like "...most people use the in-game boards for evil instead of good" simply because someone said it on the forums, we have a problem. First of all, that is wrong. Maybe on some servers it's true, but I watched the message boards on Dep every day (when I get home from work) and 80-90% of the posts there are regularly for buy/sell items. Yes, there are a fair number of posts in Korean, but even if we assume that all Koreans are evil that's still a minority. And how can posters claim "I don't speak Korean" and "Most posts on the message boards are buying/selling items in Korean" in the same breath? If there's a cleaner way to cut BS I don't know it. What is actually going on is the same rumor mill that made everyone here positive that korean servers don't have multiple connect destroy.
Bots are a problem. Adena selling is a problem. If we keep cutting every feature they can potentially use for evil, they will definitely leave. There will be no one left to sell adena to.
Please discuss.
Quote:Bots are a problem.
so in the end u support the removal of boards right? Cause I sure do =)
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I don't care about the
I don't care about the boards, I never used them. But I doubt it will reduce any illegal action at all.
Regarding the point to remove all things that can be used by the evil...
I've hunted SKT 4f today and I accused more bots than I killed monsters! Remove SKT 4f because its swarmed by bots? Hell, no! Remove the bots!
Why can all experienced players say if a character is a bot or not, after watching it a minute and why monitors can't?
NC should setup an adena seller and ban all people who buy from it.
Those bots and adena sellers/buyers ruin the game in all aspects.
bots will never leave soon
bots will never leave soon ken be bot server!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Morticae on
I agree with Morticae on this, I don't play on LoA so message board use was very limited since it was 90% empty for us. However those who did actually post had genuine and ordinary (in english) posts. Though I have read some of the in-game stuff and letters....and let's say it isn't always above board.
However this is exactly why I dislike the way Fracas and other Lineage1 GM/Devs/Ops or whatever title they decide on themselves do, basically they ignore us here on lineageone (despite being told to use these boards officially until the lineage boards are okay) and give in to every annoying complaint on the lineage.com boards. Despite the fact there are only like 5 people who actually post there. It sets a stupid precedent since I'm sure while Fracas may read these boards the majority of GMs and NC personnel probably get their facts and useless spouts from lineage.com.
It's increasingly obvious that the only way to get anything done is to have a lineage.com board acc, posting here on lineageone.com does nothing at all (this is a nice site, but with Fracas ignoring us it's becoming irrelevant for bringing up issues).
This is easily evidenced and confirmed by how quickly Fracas acts on posts made on lineage.com when they gain enough complaints (Knight F-TS, in-game message boards).
While i do believe removing
While i do believe removing the message boards in-game was a somewhat heavy-handed way to deal with a problem they percieved, i can't agree that Fracas ignores these forums or doesnt take into consideration the feedback posted here. He does read these forums and does weigh the input along with the lineage.com forums. He has on at least a couple occassions since i have been back responded to posts and even made changes to events/updates based on feedback from this site. I don't think removing the message boards will really have any positive influence on the reduction of bots, but i don't think its the end of the world either. I do wish they had acted against bots more specifically, then just something bots/cheaters(as well as many legit players!) use.
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I just wanted to correct this...
I fought, hard, and with both opposition and support, for change to knights regarding tanking ability vs de's for over 6 months. A very, very long time on the lineage.com boards. To no avail. It got no where (but me hated even more than before.)
It wasnt until a thread on this forum that had over 250 replies that a change finally took place. It was one of the most active threads on this forum (second, probably, only to the chain magic nerf) and was highly participated in by Fracas as well. After that thread, the FTS came into form.
That was far from quick. It tooks months and months and months to see that change. So please dont say that someone complained on lineage.com about knights and suddenly Fracas threw them a bone in a heartbeat. Because that is FARRRRRR from the case.
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Sk8 wrote:Quote:This is
That was far from quick. It tooks months and months and months to see that change. So please dont say that someone complained on lineage.com about knights and suddenly Fracas threw them a bone in a heartbeat. Because that is FARRRRRR from the case.
Which makes the speed of this particular decision all the harder to understand. It seems that they took out a game feature because a dozen or so people on the official forums don't use it. That hardly makes it useless.
Yes, and no. This has been a
Yes, and no. This has been a complaint on the forums for many YEARS. There have been tons of threads regarding the exact same thing that went ignored over and over again. Its not something that just popped up and then got fixed the same day... It just seems they finally gave in.
Btw, I was against removing them as well. It would have been best to actually police the boards that way the cheaters would get banned, instead of lingering around in the game unable to post. As they will just find another way.
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It would have been best to
It would have been best to actually police the boards that way the cheaters would get banned, instead of lingering around in the game unable to post. As they will just find another way.
i have to agree with sk8 here, i mean banning would have been better, but then u must realize that how does nc actually have the time to monitoor these things. all the really did was as mrhood said before was put another band aid over the situation... and im getting sick and tired of all of this stuff. i have come to terms that the bots are here to stay and there is nothing nc is going to do about it. go ahead and /accuse and whisper mons till ur fingers hurt they arent going to do anything about it..
get over it get used to it or find another game, but the bots are everywhere in every game so we are just "SOL" anyway..
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Sorry but I should have
Sorry but I should have probably clarified what I meant by 'fast', it is in fact very fast since usually NC takes years to do anything. Your request to the knight change was a class changing effect which only needed a proper solution to be implemented. The fact Fracas even listened is my point, he is more likely to care when an issue is made on lineage.com then here. Even if he took months to do it, he still participated in the discussion.
My request for a DE change has been clearly ignored with not even a 'want to be funny' remark from Fracas (which is a majority of what his responses seem to be). Changing DK for DE back to a usable morph is a big deal, some of my DE friends quit because of it or stopped leveling all together since the change.
The fact Fracas says nothing, even if he does instead take anything into considering helps no one, since caring in silence is the same as saying FU to every post made here on lineageone.
What I want to know is if Fracas will do anything about DE to DK or anything about the myriad of reasonable posts made here on lineageone. If he says FU at least well know what he thinks before we all quit and run to other games.
Crickette recently posted on
Crickette recently posted on the main boards that they will still be reading posts when they can, but will not likely be posting many replies due to Fracas being the "lead guy" for the EP6 content and development.
As for your complaint, keep bumping up the posts on that topic, I am one that is all for morphs performing at equal speeds regardless of the weapon being used. That is the point of the morph after all.
Well so far it seems like
Well so far it seems like everyone here "gets" that removing the boards will do less than nothing to hurt the adena market. I'm glad I got my bapho staff before it was gone, because I don't have time to sit and global for it these days and most people don't sell items like that in shop. Guess my days of trading without sitting glued to my PC are over.
u know to be honest, If bots
u know to be honest, If bots are removed one day..all of them..or most..NC will make way less money..NC is a business..if u were NC..would u want to make more or less money? Yes we legit players want the decrease in bot population..for NC to keep us..w/o players that buys adena..there wouldnt be bots..the fact that NC have to please US players so we dont quit....bots wouldnt have any1 to sell adena too..to whomever that buys them...inturn will result in the decline in bots....so my point is that NC will have to balance out pleasing and listenin to us players...to keep a fine line of profit for the company.Bots will ever be gone..so stop cryin abou it..its just how business gonna be..at the end its how much NC wanna profit w/o losing real players and bots at the same time. So i dont even wanna waste my time complainin about bots. I would like a decline in bots so that us players can hunt and have fun comfortably..Thank you NC for listening to us players..i do see the decrease in bot pop. Happy hunting ^^.
Another example of the
Another example of the Lineage rumor mill at work. I think I actually might deserve some credit for this one since I remember hypothesizing about it years ago. According to Fracas, Lineage does not make any substantial amount of money on bots or adena sellers. They tend to pay with fake credit cards and the extra administration overhead bots create outweighs any real income they produce.
You might have your own opinions about Fracas's honesty, but he explained this in detail, in person, to a group of people. He seems a very honest fellow and this misconception clearly frustrates him.
Spring wrote:u know to be
Ya, but the buisness they chose to run was a buisness based on designing AND MAINTAINING games. Games that people play, not automated programs. IF this (money) is the reason they arn't banning bots, then NC should respect the customer and live up to their own EULA. If it is something else like credit fraud (which I heard WAS the reason) it is still no excuse for not banning obvious in-game bots. All-in-all, there shouldn't be any bots.
wait this is about
wait this is about boards....hmm yea no need for them..if keep them pls dont allow korean language to be allowed on the boards so we ALL can read them....this is after all Lineage US right?
No this is NOT Lineage US.
No this is NOT Lineage US. It's NORTH AMERICA. Meaning LOTS of languages. but yah, removing the boards isn't going to do a damn thing except piss people off. But oh well. Everyone get a lin board acc asap... lets change the game the right way...
/sarcasm off.....
this sucks
I too agree that the boards
I too agree that the boards should not have been removed, but do agree that they were being used in a way not intended by NCSoft. If anything, I hope they are returned with limits as far as length of post and content of the post (a language/word filter).
I know this change does not affect the majority of players, but it still affects some players that relied on the boards to sell expensive items. I know recomendations have been made as to what they can do to "fix" this, but, in my experience, complaining rarely gets anywhere without offering a possible solution (which I know you did make).
Keep your chin up, you have made it through many worse changes that occurred way before Fracas joined the Lineage 1 staff ^_~.
We should ban private shops
We should ban private shops too... since that's where the bots sell their items and adena. *nods* and also eliminate trading altogether.
*sarcasm detector goes off*
*sarcasm detector goes off*
I think thats is to
I think thats is to agressive altogether i hope u were being sarcastic
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MuddyWater wrote:I think
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Probably closer to sardonic. Hyperbole with a moral. My point exactly. What is the difference between what he suggested and what they did? Just that you use private shops more personally? I actually used the message board more myself.
Nothing like a good Swiftian proposal to illustrate your point.
Swiftian eh?? Interesting
Swiftian eh?? Interesting adjective, I think I like it :)
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I think by removing the
I think by removing the boards may impact the game but to even consider removing personal shops is crazy. When im at work i am in shop-mode becuse i like to hunt when im home. that would hurt alot of people like me that hunt while at home,not standin in towns yellin "sell this, sell that,cheap items". the boards removal was good i hope but PLEASE leave the personal shops in game...
Why would that be crazy?
Why would that be crazy? We've had the message boards longer than we've had private shops.
Removing private shops would actually hurt the bots more than the message boards. It directly facilitates them selling items.
Morticae wrote: Removing
Removing private shops would actually hurt the bots more than the message boards. It directly facilitates them selling items.
the only good thing i can see with removing the private shops, would be the fact that the adena buying would be damaged. ppl wouldnt be able to put a whetstone in private store and set the price for 100m or 50m or what ever amount they are buying. when i see these shops i use the /accuse feature but i know nothing will ever come of it.
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what good was removing the
what good was removing the boards? Now instead of keeping the illegal posts(which are rare) there. all fighting pledges will get BP letters with the same messages... And when that happens, people gonna complain to fracas and crickette and remove stationary's too? I mean, removing the boards does NOTHING.. It was a horrible idea, won't solve a thing, and is pissing people off... Like I said before, I don't understand stupid people's logic. The game was fine, now we are getting our freedoms ripped from us day by day, starting when capt was here...
Fields...seriously, you need
Fields...seriously, you need to chill out. You come across as little more than a whining child and I KNOW that's not your intention. NC could no more allow the illegal posts on the ingame boards than they could on the official forums. They had to do "something". Their choices are also very limited. Their staff is ALREADY over-taxed with the bot problem and I doubt they could afford to bring on another person just to police the in-game boards.
This left them with only one choice. The boards had to go. It sucks, I know. Moving high-end items is no easy task, and the boards eased the burden somewhat. It also gave those players who we want to get rid of a very quick and accessible means to purvey their ill-gotten gains. Yes they can just go about it many other ways out of game, but the "customers" have to be made aware of them and that adds another layer of risk for the operators. The boards were IN-GAME and there for any and every customer who plays, an NC supported method of advertisement for cheating...and that simply could not be allowed.
So chill. These boards are gone. With any luck there will be some basic revision to the system and the boards will come back without the evil little bastards who ruined them for everyone else.
(for reference, I was using them myself trying to get ahold of my own high-end gear so yes, I will definitely feel their loss)
Wait...What??
I think fields is pretty
I think fields is pretty much correct. There were better ways of fixing the problem, sure they may be a little more difficult but for something important like the in-game mb that do help players sell gear it should have been given better thought.
I don't see why it wouldn't have been possible to DISABLE non-english characters on the boards. So monitors could easily remove any nonsensical stuff on them such as foreign langauge posts done in english regardless of content.
One can argue this is not a designated english only server, but it's a better solution then totally removing the ingame mb.
Fields may be set off a bit,
Fields may be set off a bit, but I agree with his point. They had to do something? Because this suddenly became a critical problem after eight years with message boards?
I'm not even entirely sure what your point is? You say they have no other choice than to eliminate anything in game that they can't police? So their only choice is to disable all other languages, remove stationary and disable all chatting? They can't police any of those either. NC supported method of cheating is just a ridiculous over exaggeration.
Anyone who thinks that moving high end items for RL cash is accomplished on the Giran message board has no idea how these things actually work. It is a word of mouth system and, today, I can still tell you exactly how much $ you'd have to pay for a +9dk sword on dep... but I can't sell my stuff in game anymore because I don't have the time or a message board. What alternative does that leave me?
Oh my gosh, I just realized that selling items out of game just became easier for me than selling them in game! What a great solution we've created!
before you ever comment
before you ever comment again. please know what your talking about. seriously... you come off as one of those cry baby loa-ers that want everything changed for them even if it makes NO difference. so because of some bad apples such as urself, everyone is going to suffer because fracas and crickette love to baby their useless customers that have no clue what this game is about and how it is played.
Bring up a valid point to counter mine. wait... what?!, thats right, there is no valid point out there because there was absolutely no reason to take the boards out.
Peace~ *drops the mic and walks off*
I have to say that while the
I have to say that while the drive behind the MB removal was admirable it was a tactical mistake.
The "illegal" messages posted there could have gone a long way to tracking down the offenders.
I play LOA so I must say the message boards were anything but empty. I usually just skip over the "non-english" posts looking at prices and stuff that was on the market. All in all it was a vaulable tool that I will miss.
If they can be put back they should.
well i guess thier objective
well i guess thier objective is to deter people from doing bad things rather then having to remove the offenders from the game cause its ezer that way O_o
for eg..
a candy shop w/ video cameras install for surveilance.. and u dont notify customers w/ any sign that they are being watched.. which leads to ppl stealing because they dont know they are being watched...which leads them to being caught..
however if u warn them that thier are cameras.. then then they know they are being watched and wont try to steal, meaning that the store owners wont have to catch them in the act because the presense of the cameras are a deterrence from stealing rather then having them steal first and then having to catch them...
So basically.. its better to prevent something rather then to allow it from happening.... i wonder if that made sense...
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Please bring back the
Please bring back the message board. I was really dumbfounded with this update. It is so ridiculous that I was actually mad at one point. And as a person I usually don't get mad about anything.
I don't understand that NC would actually remove msg board because some adena farming jack arse decides to post to sell their adena. What about the rest of the post that are just? Instead of policing the illegal activity, NC decided to take away the board as a quick fix. Its really stupid. I donno but for us really old players msg board hold alot of fond memories. I've met some good friends through joking around on msg boards. I remember laughing at people doing funny stuff on TI board like taking turns making facials to see how many types people could come up with. I always post hard to sell items on there so I don't have to be on 24/7 advertising it on global. Its the little things but still having a msg board was GOOD.
Noone.. I tell you noone buys adena from reading the msg board. They don't because there is no stable way to make transactions. Lineage is an old game. Old gamers who quit long ago who wants to play again usually are the ones who are buying the adenas because they don't want to punch ents for 9 hrs to buy their +6xbow. They've done that before. These 30+ year old gamers aren't stupid enough to purchase adena from some guy with a yahoo email account. There are corporations that make money by providing these stable transaction. Instead of taking away every good features in game, focus your attempt on suiing these companies and getting rid of these transactions.
I don't wanna list these companies because I know some jack arse will start buying adena on them fueling more bots to farm adena.
Look, even if there is a post on msg board about adena sell, getting rid of the msg board is just a wrong approach. NC should be reading the msg board, either eraze these posts or find the root and ban the account thats posting it.
Bring back our msg boards. And PLEASE fix the lineage.com forum account or GET RID OF IT COMPLETELY. so everyone else can voice their opinion evenly on place where WE CAN MAKE AN DAMN FORUM ACCOUNT.
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You know... An auction house
You know... An auction house would be a much better approach...
I personally dont use the
I personally dont use the message boards much, but a lot of people actually found them useful.
I do wish that NC would come with a better way to ban botted accounts and prevent the adena selling.
They have to work in trying to fix the problem, not to work around it..
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So this wasn't entirely the
So this wasn't entirely the knee-jerk decision it appeared to be. This was an issue that came up several times years ago, even before Scout was at the helm, and continued to come up while I was the publish coordinator on the product. We'd receive numerous tickets in regards to foreign language posts on the in-game boards, some that demanded they were inappropriate while others merely suspected they were because they weren't in English. At the end of the day we had to decide what to do.
1. Remove the in-game boards?
2. Only allow English on the message boards? (which turned out to be NOT possible)
3. Hire a multi-lingual monitor whose sole responsibility is jumping from msg board to msg board in search of inappropriate posts?
4. Just leave it and see what happens?
We chose number 4 time and time again. Fast forward to today and we still receive tickets and it still comes up regularly. I decided to do something. #1 is possible. #2 is not. #3 is unrealistic. #4 had run its course. So I went with #1. I see why this seemed knee-jerk and random to some of y'all, but for us it was not.
Nice to see you do in fact
Nice to see you do in fact live Fracas. However It'd be nice if you responded to other posts not related directly to stuff already being discussed on the official boards.
Since you guys took out the in-game boards I'm not getting more and more mails with the old content from the in-game mb, I don't think taking them out solved anything since now I'm just being spammed with pledge mails.
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Thanks for taking the time
Thanks for taking the time to explain Frac. I know you guys never make decisions frivolously, but I worry the input you get is the same squeaky wheels asking for grease rather than a representation of true popular opinion. I also understand your reasoning, but I gotta disagree that this was necessary. Sure you may get complaints about inappropriate posts on the message boards, and I admit there were plenty of illegal posts, but the boards are not the problem.
I have NO problem with anyone speaking Korean or any other language in Lineage, but you simply cannot police it. The truth is, you have no idea what half the people who play this game talk about. THAT is the real problem. Unless you can police them, the responsible solution is to disable alternate languages. I would rather see languages AND the message boards stay, but if one of them has to go, I vote for alternate languages.
I think the baby has gone with the bath water on this one.
All in all taking the boards
All in all taking the boards out is not a problem in my opinion. Changing the game to fight botting is not the right thing to do, but this change is not significant enough for me to say it "changes the game". For instance removing SKT 4f because its bot infested is a big change and would be wrong regardless of the fact that it wouldn't work because bots would just move to a new area. We also have two other sets of message boards to post on for trading (here on lineageone and at lineage.com).
I think this also could have a positive effect on the frequency that people use these boards in general. More people might post more on the boards and we could get more opinions about game play etc...
#3 was very
#3 was very realistic....that'd get most of the people trying to sell/buy banned immediately.... now, they are somewhat protected.... fracas really isn't helping against the "war on bots and illegal buying/selling" He is not preventing it the people in game from getting banned... You had the chance to delete/ban many accs using the boards as a lure, but now... you have nothing except pledge letters going out which you better not take out now... It's pretty ridiculous how dumb that decision was. And as far as making the boards english only. It's a North American server. Not US... that would be discriminating if he did that.
and pliask, dont give him any ideas... he will consider it highly...
I keep hearing this about
I keep hearing this about discrimination. Please explain to me how you figure this?
Every North American country's official language(s) use Roman-Latin characters. English, Spanish and French come to mind. Why do we have to support Korean? No other North American game I can think of supports Korean (except maybe Lin2?).
And if "discrimination" means we need to support all languages, we're a far far way off from that too. So why does discrimination mean "Must support Korean/Chinese"?
I mean, if ANYTHING is discrimination, it's that asians can say absolutely anything they want to on our servers with no chance of repercussions. They can cuss for hours on global if they want, they can advertise to buy/sell anything in RL they want. THAT is unfair discrimination. I would be shocked if 98% of asians playing this game who actually live in NA don't speak English well enough to communicate anyway.
I know quite a few asians
I know quite a few asians that live in NA that don't speak english well enough. and discriminating because ENGLISH is not a official language of the US and Mexico, I don't even think it is in Canada if I'm right... So exactly where is it official at here?....... so why on earth would you eliminate all other languages so English is the only one? Makes no sense. Forcing people to use English IS discrimination towards people who can't..... And I would assume we have to support the asian languages because thats where this game originates from? So were lucky to be graced with this game here.
Now, the thing bout saying anything u want on global and buy/sell in RL through the game. That's all NCNA's fault. They too cheap to hire a translator for this game, it should of been closed down years ago then. But the same can be said for those that speak spanish, german, french and so forth. Don't exclude those out hehe...
FieldsOfLove wrote:I know
Well you are not right, so at least you qualified it. English, Spanish and French are official languages of many North American countries, even if you choose not to acknowledge the language in which governments documents are written as a de facto standard.
So every government on Earth is guilty of discriminating against anyone who doesn't speak the language of the land? Seems reasonable to me. The rest of this section is absurd. We pay for this game and are not "lucky" to receive anything. If I pay to ship something am I "lucky" if they choose to deliver it? If I buy a foreign car am I "lucky" if they choose to write the manual in my language? No.
True. Not to mention that most Asian languages can be written with Latin-Roman characters by basically forming the equivalent sounds. I would first point out that this thread and its responses are intended as hyperbole to illustrate a point. That aside, the fact that it is possible does not mean we should facilitate it (which is the exact same logic they used to justify removing the message boards).
Here is my challenge to you. Present an argument to me FOR removing the message boards that does not apply equally to foreign language support.
Their "logic" they used to
Their "logic" they used to just remove the boards is complete nonsense and lazy.
Here's a better arguement for you. Put the boards back and hire employees to moderate the cheating. That'd solve everything and everyone will be happy and no discriminations.
But here you go, if you goto a country that does not support your language at all and you don't know the native tongue... U should expect a lot of people to ignore you or give you funny looks because they don't understand you. But thats the consequences(sp) for going to a foreign country. Since NA has lots of languages... its open season for everyone. Your can't restrict to just 1 language.
Like Fracas said hiring an
Like Fracas said hiring an employee to monitor the Message Boards was unrealistic, most likely because of the cost. Someone in that position would prolly make $15-30 per hour which would nullify their profits from 8-16 accounts per day, or 160-320 accounts per month. Lots of ppl may think oh whats the big deal just hire another person, but it really isn't cost effective.
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ok, then get rid of the
ok, then get rid of the monitors that don't do anything now anyways. and trust me, if they can't afford 1 employee to do this... this game would of been shut down long ago due to lack of funds....
I just showed you how 1
I just showed you how 1 single employee negates the account fees of 160-320 users per month. That is no minor loss. Maybe you don't realize how close NCA really is to closing down becuz of lack of funds. My guess is they have about 1000 active paying accounts(and thats even a lil generous) they are most likely barely keeping their heads above water. Lineage 1 has never been highly successful in North America even when it first came out and is even less popular now, which was the main reason they created LoA, to garner more NA users. Since then active accounts have slowly dwindled to the numbers they are at today. While 1 employee may not put them into bankruptcy i doubt Lineage 1 in the US can afford any losses to their profitability. 1 employee is much more expensive than u seem to believe.
I am also guessing there are reasons why they cannot just get rid of monitors, for instance even something as frivolous as ESRB ratings would most likely be affected. With nobody monitoring language in-game i doubt it would be able to remain and under 18 game, which as we saw before when they tried to make it 18+ before, that can cause a host of problems. Also, although i feel monitors could certainly do more than they do now i hardly believe they are usless and do nothing, as i have had many interactions and recieved assistance from them numerous times.
Either way no matter if one if us is right or one of us is wrong the fact of the matter is Message Boards are gone and aren't coming back, so we can either get used to it or quit, but complaining about it isn't going to do anything. Fracas said it wasn't realistic, and i tend to believe he understands the situation at NCA better than either of us.
I really do not think they
I really do not think they are "close" to closing down. Lineage is NOT the only game they support...City of Heros, City of Villans, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasha, Lineage II. So there has to be far more than 1000 accounts overall.
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I'm sorry i was unclear, i
I'm sorry i was unclear, i didnt mean NC Soft is close to going under i meant Lineage 1 US. NC Soft like u said is huge and i doubt they have to worry about money. The 1000 accounts i was referring to are Lineage 1 accounts in north america.
and most of these guys work
and most of these guys work on all of the games or multiple games, not just one. except fracas and possibly crickette... and lineage 1 has well over 1k accs. active, i would honestly say probably around 2000 active accs at all times. just never on at the same time. Especially when events go on... to let someone go and hire a more productive person... cost you nothing, you don't lose money, you don't gain money.... thats what i dont understand from you. did you not read that point? it doesn't cost nc anything to let some of the useless monitors go and hire someone with some intellegence....
Well, go work for NCSoft
Well, go work for NCSoft then ;). I am sure you will get some perks for working there :).
Like i stated before i don't
Like i stated before i don't believe like you do that the monitors are useless, and i don't think u can just remove them willy nilly as im sure there are reasons why they have them. They don't have monitors just so they can pay more employees and lower their profit, there is a reason, whether that reason is clear to us or not. I'm pretty sure Lineage 1 staff has already been cut to the lowest numbers they can have and still run the game the way they need to, it's just wise business sense. I'm not sure what u mean by hiring a more productive person, do you mean someone who works harder? Someone who performs multiple positions within the company? If you mean the latter i can assure you their employees already perfom multiple positions within the company, and if you mean the previous how can you tell someone works harder unless you actually hire them. Let me make it clear i do not believe the monitors do their job perfectly and i feel there is much more they could do, but i hardly find them useless, and i also doubt adding more responsibilties to their job description(like monitoring msg boards) would make them any more useful. You can't add more responsibilites without detracting from their current responsibilities(which it seems monitors are having a hard enough time keeping up with). I know this was a bit of a heavy handed solution, but i also feel it was probably the most cost effective and realistic solution available to them. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree as we are both adamant in our opinions, and since neither of us work at NC neither can claim to know exactly what affected their decisions, or what their situation really is.
First its not that they cant
First its not that they cant they have all the opertunities in the world to learn english. ITs the fact that they wont. all other games that i have played have a game filter that translates korean to english and vis versa. i think that should be implemented in to the game i have said that before. i know many that dont speak a bit of english. and thats fine. ive had situations where i needed to find someone to translate for me. Players that have respect for other players will do that for u. granted trying to track someone down and figuring exactly what language they are speaking is a pain. but in the long run u actually help. i know a few ppl that have learned english from playing this game. those people WANTED to know what we were talking about and tell us his/her thoughts on the same topic. i dont think that its fair for it to be an english only game. but i do see the point that you guys are making with us not being able to understand a lick of what they are saying. there for some kind of language filter needs to be implemented. but the chances of that happening are slim to none.
what i find unfair is that they can come and play our servers but we cant access them. now thats a topic for discussion. why is that???
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if they refuse to learn
if they refuse to learn english to play on this server.. they always have their own representing countries that support thier language..kor/tw/jap
my first language isnt even english but i am so well versed in it that i would prefer to play on this server then on a server i wouldnt understand
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if i remember correctly, it
if i remember correctly, it wasnt until a little recently that nc austin got control over lineage US. so. up until recently u couldnt tell the koreans taiwanese etc that this is a US game and they should adapt to our language. but anyway... this isnt a matter of languages races or whatnot..this is a matter of bots.. not all bots are of foreign decent. Americans are perfectly able to create these programs themselves and run them just the same as anyone else. so what would policing the non american threads on in game boards do.. a bot user can easily go on the boards and say "Sell +9 Iron Boots ***Mil" does that look suspicious to anyone? doesnt smell of bot to me.. point being policing the boards solves nada. the only real thing that can eliminate botting on the boards as you could say...is completely remove them..this takes away a feature that the bots are known to use. so..how could it further help the Global War on Bots? it will increase the number of bot owned personal shops..and the dev ppl can see which users that were previously flooded all over boards are now flooded all over shop villages. which is another clue against them..just give NC a few scooby snacks and eventually they will find a way to fight bots...everything has a weakness.
Removing the boards was a
Removing the boards was a very stupid thing to do. about 1% of the posts mabye were to sell adena/items. It was 1 of the only few ways to sell items worth more than 100m. As i said elsewhere ( or wanted to say elsewhere but i couldnt log on this damn site for another few weeks) remove the 100m limit on shop mode so we can actually sell these items.
But But But I posted WHO the
But But But
I posted WHO the bots where on these boards...
sob..
it's like they took away my /exclude...
BOO NC
this blows
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