Hey guys, i heard something about the fact that daggers may attack faster than swords or other weapons? Is this true? If it is, is it true for both polyed and unpolyed???? Thanks.
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I don't believe the morph
I don't believe the morph swing speed change occurs until EP6, but non-morphed is supposed to be faster.
Sk8, correct me if I am wrong :P.
In ep6, dagger will get a
In ep6, dagger will get a swing increase speed while ploymorphed.
Atm, it seems to me that dagger have much less swing lag than any other swords. That could be just me, but i see a noticable difference with my royal.
i dont notice a diff o.o....
i dont notice a diff o.o.... not yet anyways
Yes and no. Some sprites
Yes and no. Some sprites have faster attack animation with daggers. Female DE for example has roughly a haste worth of bonus attack speed with daggers. Male DE...not nearly as much (if any at all), or rather didn't the last time I checked which was quite a while ago.
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I really am not totally sure
I really am not totally sure at this point.
I know that Daggers such as Ori Dagger are popular for one reason only... Faster swing speeds. However, it was my understanding that currently the faster swing speed is no-poly only. That could be incorrect however, as the biggest users of them are 52+ and in DK. If it is not faster now in morph, it for sure will be with the polymorph swing speed changes in Epi6 and Epi6-2. But I have a feeling it is already faster in morph.
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No idea on that. Ordinarily
No idea on that. Ordinarily I would have said it's a competitor to SLS, but at the price of a +0 ori dagger I just don't see. Then again, the bots and people running them may just be in the whole Ep6 mindset and not aware that the swing speed portion is not currently on US servers.
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correct, we'd have to wait
correct, we'd have to wait till ep6 to start really enjoying odaggers as currently with morph we don't see any difference.
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K i had also heard that a +7
K i had also heard that a +7 b-mith dagger is equal to or better than a +9 rap? Is this true?
+9rap = 9 + (1-11) +
+9rap = 9 + (1-11) + (1-20)
So that is 11-40 or average 20.5 damage
+7b-mith dagger = 7 + (1-6) + (1-10) + (1-20)
So that is 10-43 or average 21.5 damage
Factor in swing speed increase with dagger, and you got a clear winner.
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Sk8 wrote:+9rap = 9 + (1-11)
So that is 11-40 or average 20.5 damage
+7b-mith dagger = 7 + (1-6) + (1-10) + (1-20)
So that is 10-43 or average 21.5 damage
Factor in swing speed increase with dagger, and you got a clear winner.
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wondering how u get avg of those?
from my calculation they would be 25.5 and 26.5
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Nice, thanks a lot. Now the
Nice, thanks a lot. Now the question is, does anyone know what its worth on loa?
saw a +7b mith dagger in
saw a +7b mith dagger in shop for 11mil just over a week ago. The reason I didnt pick it up was because I used to have a +9 non-blessed mith dagger and I took it to 34f to do some hunting. Turns out it suck like hell compared to a +6rapier... so I sold it for like 15mil I think. This was over a year ago. The +6rapier averages one less swing per kill on 34f mops.
You should have bought it.
You should have bought it. =)
Mithril Dagger has a bonus of 1-20 to undead, for being made of mithril.
Blessed Mithril Dagger has the same 1-20 bonus, but an additional 1-10 bonus, for being blessed. Giving it a total of 2-30 bonus damage per swing.
(Blessed weapons have a bonus 1-10 damage to undead and demon type monsters.)
Include the extra swing speed increase in poly, coming later. And its even more superior.
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Sk8 wrote:You should have
Mithril Dagger has a bonus of 1-20 to undead, for being made of mithril.
Blessed Mithril Dagger has the same 1-20 bonus, but an additional 1-10 bonus, for being blessed. Giving it a total of 2-30 bonus damage per swing.
(Blessed weapons have a bonus 1-10 damage to undead and demon type monsters.)
Include the extra swing speed increase in poly, coming later. And its even more superior.
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I don't know...the ones in ToS don't appear to be phased by blessed weapons. Granted my melee damage is VERY random against them, but still...+9 sls kicked the snot out of my bkat (which didn't seem really any stronger than my old nkat).
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Take a +0 nkat and +0bkat
Take a +0 nkat and +0bkat (or you could use scimitars, or any item you can get one bless one normal) to DV and beat on some skels there. You will see the difference. ]
Then plus the nkat to +5, leaving the bkat at +0. They should, statistically, perform the same at that point.
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Ya, nkat/bkat sucks against
Ya, nkat/bkat sucks against TOS mops. U need pure silver and large mop damage to rape them with ease. I mean... +9sls, and +9silver axe should be nerfed cause they make those tos mops die ridiculously fast....
And Sk8, as far as I know and still understand... blessed damage shouldn't effect undead or if it does, bare minimum to the point it's not even noticable. Every NC reply about that has been Demon type mops.... But then again, NC has been wrong about a lot of things...
Ive done plenty of testing.
Ive done plenty of testing. Believe it if you want, I dont care. =)
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Knowing Fields, he probably
Knowing Fields, he probably will believe what he wants ;).
ive done plenty of tests as
ive done plenty of tests as well. if it does effect undead, then it must of been changed 1-2 years ago. cause when I used my b-es there was no difference, which btw.. was the best undead weapon of all time until this past episode
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Oh I believe you in regards to some undead with blessed weapons. I just don't think that it's universally applied. The old undeads I definitely see the difference, but the new ones (hard to say...I'd guess elmores) don't appear to be at all.
As for the monsters in ToS...they pack some SERIOUSLY mean punches. They also have a crap-ton of health compared to anything else their level. In other words, you HAVE to hunt them with silver weapons...their health pool is so large to ensure that you do so. It's actually pretty universal to undeads (elmores excluded) that their health is substantially increased over other creatures their level just to offset the undead damage bonuses...to make sure that you use them when you hunt them. And Sk8...it would appear that undead bonus damage is indeed multiplied by elemental fire (I clobber those suckers in ToS as fast as fully buffed DE do, and occasionally faster courtesy of Elemental Falldown).
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Yah, the damage with silver
Yah, the damage with silver is incredibly high compared to blessed. With my silver axe, those TOS mops die fairly quick and easy. The followers outside of TOS, I end in 2-4 hits ... Explain that one :)
I'm here to "Explain that
I'm here to "Explain that one" 2-4 hits on a royal, amazing, too bad its a lie, unless you honestly are telling me that you're doing 125+ dmg a HIT on a royal to even be able to kill a Follower in 2 hits. The Followers have 250HP, even with every buff possible in lineage on your royal, you're in no way doing 125+ dmg especially 2 times in a row to be able to '2 shot' the monster. The least hits I am sure you've ever gotten to kill a Follower (when all the damn planets were in a straight line) is 4 hits for sure, rest of the time its 4+ hits.
I think you just watch the swing while on haste brave and dont even count it properly.
it is amazing, too bad its
it is amazing, too bad its not a lie. First time I did it your buddy Bryan was with me and was as amazed as I was at killing priests in 2 hits. go figure i have witnesses. Brandon saw it as well, and on our knights it happens more often. So please, again explain to me how it happened NUMBEROUS times? And trust me, it doesn't take a genious to count to 2.
So please, if you don't know what your talking about, just shut up then :)
well, my answer would be
well, my answer would be either a, silver axe has a major crit or b, 250 is not the correct hp of those followers or some are weaker. that's my answer and explanation. you choose which u believe in, and stop trying to deny what has already been proven
The testing was done along
The testing was done along time ago in DV when I was switching from +8nkat to +8bkat. There was a clear difference in damage increase with the blessed one against the skels. It did something, it was clear and highly noticeable.
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hmm probably better to do a
hmm probably better to do a controlled damage test for blessed/silver on the summoned undead or tamed undead mob. should be interesting.
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It's not all undead mops
It's not all undead mops that are demon mops. And you are right, bless weapons only affect demon type. If an undead is a demon type too, then blessed weapons will affect him.
Blessed weapons are over
Blessed weapons are over rated, they only do 1-4 additional damage to demon type mops and no additional damage to undead at all.
The ori-dagger seems to be a perfect allround weapon - and there is a blessed version too (Abyss Master drop it). 1-20 additional damage to undead, unbreakable and 1-4 to demon type mop for the blessed version - good for elves/mages/royals if you ask me.
I would be interested to
I would be interested to know where you get this information.
Blessed weapons do give an additional 1-10 damage to demon monsters. It is not 1-4. (The undead bonus may be questionable --though I stand by it from my testing and experience--, but the demon bonus is fact.)
I took advantage of this -overrated- demon bonus damage when DI first came out. And everyone was fighting over all the di bosses. And little lvl 48 Sk8 was pulling agro, and drops, over all the DK knights that were swinging at the Nightmares (demon type.) And they couldnt figure out how and why. Because I was using bkat, and they were using tsu.
Bkat is loads better than nkat. 1-4 damage is not enough to explain that difference.
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On my lunch break today, I
On my lunch break today, I did some small, quick, testing. Definitely not enough to serve as proof, and more testing will be done.
+0scimitar vs +0b-scimitar against DV skels.
Average hits for normal version were around 21-25.
Average hits for blessed version were around 18-22.
It appears there is something there. But, that is not enough to go on. I am not drawing a final conclusion from this quick 20minute test. More testing in the works. And I will let you all know the final conclusion. I also plan to take the same two weapons and bash some Cerberus for some demon monster damage testing. And when all the tests are done, plussing them up to 6, and doing it all again.
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Weaker weapons without any
Weaker weapons without any enchantments on them emphasize the blessed damage (increasing the base damage reduces the number of swings across the board and thus reduces the impact of the random damage from blessed effect).
Symptom of diminishing returns. The scimitar at +0 is probably the best testing weapon for blessed damage effects.
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Would be cool to get some
Would be cool to get some accurate results.
I did some testing with mith-arrows and silver arrows on the priests in TOS (75000 arrows each) and to my surprise there is absolutly no difference! Regardless what arrows I used, on average I needed exactly the same number of arrows to take down a priest. The additional damage to undead seems to be so random that the better base damage of the mith-arrows don't count in.
Regarding the number of additional damage with blessed weapons to demon type monsters - I have them from lineage.gametsg.com (see info about blessed version of the item). They are offical numbers from NC Korea tho I don't have the link to the original post.
the dif of mith to sivler
the dif of mith to sivler arrows is only 10/9 vs 7/6, so 0-3 dmg avg 1.5dmg per arrow diferance, on a mob that takes, i'm guessing proably about 15 arrows to kill, thats only avg 22.5 dmg diferance.... when arrows are poping for silver bonus (1-20 avg 10.5), plus bows enchant/dmg bonus (9xbow would be 11dmg), bonus from dex (5 dmg for 21dex (16+dex buff )) and level, plus if your wind elf, wind buff, thats about 0-1 arrows diferance.... you wont really notice a diferance on silver arrow vs mith arrow, unless its non-undead or your hitting somethign 50+ times.
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Effect of diminishing
Effect of diminishing returns. The more damage you do, the more damage you need to add to see a tangible difference.
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yea dagger swing speed will
yea dagger swing speed will be increased soon
What is best for a DE +9
What is best for a DE +9 Sedo or ??? Dagger wise for killing undead? (looking at EP6/U)
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claw/edo prolly still better
claw/edo prolly still better for DE, cause of crit and the lack of need for AC cause of uncanny.
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Then Edo will need to be
Then Edo will need to be increased. As it is now a ori dagger/ mith dagger or even crystal dagger come just a few hits shy of it.
Now add increased hit speed and dagger could be very easy to overcome edo.
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What do you peoples think I
What do you peoples think I should do about melee wep.
Weps = 9BG use mostly this) 9Rap, 9Thors, Asword. But there are alot of times where bow needs to be holstered.
PVP/some hunting I use Asword.. Still the best for me?? Class elf.
Hard skinned 9Thors Still the best or is cutlass, ori dagger better or will be better in ep6?
9 Rap only comes out for Ghost on 51+ when wackin dragons with thors. Or out when I run out of arrows for undead and need to round up xp.zzz
What weapons should I shoot for or do I have the best for whats available right now?
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think your pretty maxed...
think your pretty maxed... 9ori dagger could replace thors and rap and be roughly equal to them (at current, after next 2 1/2 Episodes release, everythings up in the air), but would cost more than both of them combined.
I'd hold onto the A-Sword, cause if the fire buff from Ep6 is put in, and they make it somewhat common, its value will go up a bit... if not, oh well, its still prty good sword for ya.
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That spell better not be
That spell better not be common, in any sense of the word.
Way to uber for every elf to have, should be a 500mil+ Spirit crystal.
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Sell info on where to get
Sell info on where to get new fire spirit crystal 250m!! LOL
The thing that makes me want to ditch thors and grabb a 9 OriD is every SS I see someone has 1. So 95% of people seem to have one in ep6 and above so they must be good. I'm just thinking ahead like when I spent 3 days collecting S-Gems on 51+ since they don't drop anymore. I wan to be ready dammit!
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yeh.. ori dagger usefullness
yeh.. ori dagger usefullness will go up I'm pretty sure... the price should prolly stay same or drop some though, as npc tele to PI should be implimented (I think thats ep6.5...), so ele grave griefers wont be able to keep stranglehold on the drops (its alot easier to kick them, when you don't have to convince people to take a 10 minute boat ride, to kill them 2 or 3 times, so they all log off for a hour or two, before they come right back), and more will be entering the game....
but then like you said, everyone will want one, so price will proably stay somewhat the same as it is now... who knows though (throw up hands), NCA says 0 about anything coming in the august targeted ep6+6.5+U all in 1 update to public test, so the only info we get is 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand from translation of blogs/info sites from foriegn servers, in all honesty we wont know what to expect really until it goes live, as we wont be able to test most of the update, because of the poor way test server is run.
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I still can't believe this
I still can't believe this game does not have any info site that they run or update. Yet if I read korean ect I'de know everything I ever need to. It is very lame how everthing in this game is just a guess and there is no solid proof on anything. LB is great in all but they dont have near enough info to satisfy most(Thanks for what you do have though!). And yes our test server is pointless there is nothing that is heplfull about it plain and simple. Only thing it does is give hackers cheaters a chance to perfect programs and learn exploits before they hit live. Did I miss something?
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