I am moving a post here from lineage.com so EVERYONE can comment and I can say my 2 cents.....
The following verbiage was in 2 posts written by Everyone's favorite SK8 who also posts here.
Hmmm I did not see it here Here it is The following was written by sk8
Global Chat - Lets get rid of it!
#665003 - 12/31/07 12:34 PM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply
Its unneeded... Its causes more problems than it solves.
Some will say... "Well they already took away our in game message boards, if they take away global how will we sell our high end items?"
Simple... Leave TradeChat the way it is. That way you can still sell anything on 'global' that you want to. Just set up the Macro.
Well why leave Tradechat but take away global?
Global serves one purpose these days... Fighting, bickering, slandering, name calling, he said/she said, and of course 'Your a bot!' statements....
With all the macro's running in trade chat these days, there is no way a bicker conversation will reach the horribleness (for lack of a better word) that it comes to these days. As the chat just filters away fast. And in many cases, people dont even have trade chat on.
The few good conversations on global are quickly turned around or trumped into slandering bicker fests in seconds. To many pvp fights quickly dissolve into global fights. Removing global will force people to keep to the fight, instead of arguing and name calling on global.
It causes more harm than it helps. LOA did just fine for years without global chat.
Comments, suggestions?
Is it time for Global chat to go?
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Chat off doesnt solve the problem. The slander and word play goes on with or without global on.
I do /chat off. I do exclude those that are worst of all, and its great because its like they dont even exist anymore...
But that doesnt make whats being said stop from being said. It doesnt stop new players from seeing nothing but arguing and trashing on global all day.
I am not looking to stop whats being said, just the means to be able to say it to everyone and anyone. If people want to trash others, thats fine. Whisper and pledge chat are great for that. Make a blog, and trash everyone you want to. They just should not be able to globally do it in game. But I guess that is just my opinion.
Maybe other servers are different. But Ken server global talk is rarely of any real value other than the occasional price check.
It was an idea/suggestion. Thanks for the input.
Now, when do we get the ability to have more excludes to make up for it. =/
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Here is my 2 cents..... This
Here is my 2 cents.....
This was started because global was used to gather everyone against soomy's bp that wanted to start fights on FVB
If global was not used less people would have known about the fight and less people would have shown up.
You want to be part of a server changing event use the resources that we already have and don't try to change something to your benefit.
Yes I know that your were not at the fight. So you might say that is not what you meant....
Don't insult anyones intelligence. BTW Everyone on lineage.com reminded you of
/chat off FTW!!!
That solves the problem on your end and allow the rest of the server to communicate.
What is next get rid of teamspeak?????
Yes I read posts and do my homework. I did not get as far as I have being a total follower.
Have you recognized my skills yet??????
Papi - AKA Betrayed Royal
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Sturm im Wasserglas. Paps
Sturm im Wasserglas.
Paps got a point. The problem is the behaviour of the people, not the exsistence of a masscomunication medium. There are more ways to talk to each other like chatparty, teamspeak, forum, messenger, pledgechat, and so on.
If you want to erase the problem, then you need to think about why it happens. As you know, I was in credence and saw it in all its "glory". Could go on in this, but wont lead to anything.
Global is not the problem and you know that. Aparently you cant life with that.
In my opinion whether you
In my opinion whether you agree or not is:
global is a part of the reason we play the game. chat is part of the enviroment of play . LOA did not eliminate grief play by not having global. many of us have friends in other pledges it would be harder to find them online without global. I think they should leave it alone :)
I think that sk8 is upset
I think that sk8 is upset that the server is not falling in line and doing the whole hugs and kisses with rosie..like him and cosa are..
I am not sure that papi has it all right but I do have to say I smell some MAJOR bs in the timing of sk8s post to end global.
You are talking about my issue with not shuting up whenever Rose talks sk8..take it up with ME and leave the rest of the server out of it.
I say he should /chatoff or \exclude
I also am really very angry that sk8 has the ability to post on lineage.com and the rest of us dont. If everyone is not going to be given ability to talk there no one should.
My theory is this.
He is trying to protect Rosie..
If he gets global turned off I can't remind everyone what an evil liar she is.
I dont like you anymore sk8. You are not looking out for the good of ken, you are looking out for your little click of friends.
Also... I find global to be very useful, and entertaining..
I do not think I would stick around very long if it was taken away, it is what makes lineage so unique.
Yes we fight and argue and trash, but most of the time there is a GOOD reason for it. But that is NOT what we do all the time..or even most of the time...
I would take a chat ban for the team here before I would have global turned off for the whole server, it seems to me that is what sk8 is trying to do.
I feel like he starterd this topic to make me fear that the server will come down on me for trashing rosie so much, which is in effect what is going on, now though I understand why...
He is using FEAR...to shut me up...
It is my right to say what I want about that disgusting piece of human flesh, she hacked your bff's acct and you are trying to shut down global so I cant attack her?
You make me sick too.
I wont shut up just so you feel better sk8.
Have me baned, but leave global alone.
And I would love to see how they will justify baning me, I dont cuss, I dont MAKE STUFF UP...all I do is tell it like it is...
I still say NC should just turn off sk8's global....
Good Grief what will sk8 think of next?
Crystal Jean
"The only friends that matter are the ones you can call at 4am."
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heck im pissed Boards been
heck im pissed Boards been removed.. do global too and beep i go WOW junkgame too q.q
atleast they have market system. and looking at lineage1 is packed w items rare, expensive..
im now forced to pray the NEWBIES gets it coz they the majority of ppl who use NC Trade Boards "website", most lv65-79s i know dont bother w Lineage.com as its always been about the majority of low lvls who cry and nerf game, Ingame boards was great for selling and buying high-end items and now thats gone, Global is great for "sometimes the global chit chatter" but sure its bad for all the crap talkers and spammers.. ALL we need is NC do to REAL Stuff insted of DUMB Stuff.
Extend /exclude list to hold 100 names.
People to learn to use /chat off who don't like it. End of that
Papi, why you got to assume
Papi, why you got to assume everything is about you?
Its not because it can be used to call people to a fight. A good leader doesnt need global. A real leader only has to talk to one person in another pledge, to have their pledge come help. You dont have to call out on global that you need back up. I wasnt at any fight on fv beach you refer to, and have no idea what went on.
CJ is closer, but it isnt about her either.
Its about the state of global. Its the tendency for global to be nothing more than smack talk and name calling. It goes back since the beginning, its always been that way. Be it the days of Injection, and all that smack talk. Or today. Its 5 people wanting to go on and on about one subject, that a handful of people will read and laugh, and everyone else will just /chat off or change the subject. Its all the new players seeing nothing but this name calling negativity on global chat. Makes them want to keep playing doesnt it?
I didnt post it here because the idea was quickly shot down on the boards. So there was no need to.
Got Blog?
You are absolutly right Sk8
You are absolutly right Sk8 this was probably not about me. And FYI I needed global not to call anyone to help kill on fvb they came on their own after your "friend" called out CJ to fvb.
And I don't know about you but I have brought a few people to the game and they don't even know how to use global and can't till level 40 and I have been the one helping my friends as well as noobs. From what I see about your hunting style from th epast and present is that you stay with your 2 box and your GF and not help too many noobs. I think I qualify on the noob knowledge front. Heck I have only been playing a year so I am still noob. Didn't you have a BP that started out as 50+ only. Yeah that helped the noobs.
Papi - AKA Betrayed Royal
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Im not sure what any
Im not sure what any personal shots have to do with anything, or why I have become such a target. But if it gives yall a reason to band together, then more power to you. (Im short, pale skinned(shiny almost), extra skinny, and have long girly hair if yall need some more ammo to throw at me.)
It only began that way because the people in it were 50+. It wasnt restricted, it just wasnt and still isnt a pledge that recruits.
Its unfortunate that a pvp fight cant stay as a pvp fight. I am unsure why there is such a desire to 'discuss' what is nothing more than a fun pvp fight. There doesnt have to be all this drama. Yall seem to stir it up just for the fun of it. Maybe its easier to win a fight by crushing the other teams spirit and emotion than it is to just have fun going at it, for nothing more than the spirit of pvp.
This is Ken server. This isnt the first time I have watched a group of people fight on global instead of just going to the beach, or a siege. My suggestion to take away the medium of fighting on global would fix the issue. No more global, if you got a problem, start swinging at the person you have a problem with. It was a suggestion, it got shot down, end of story.
Got Blog?
I will not comment on the
I will not comment on the way you look that is your problem not mine.
Yes it's a bp again. Good for you.
Sk8 Said
Its unfortunate that a pvp fight cant stay as a pvp fight. I am unsure why there is such a desire to 'discuss' what is nothing more than a fun pvp fight. There doesnt have to be all this drama. Yall seem to stir it up just for the fun of it. Maybe its easier to win a fight by crushing the other teams spirit and emotion than it is to just have fun going at it, for nothing more than the spirit of pvp.
This is Ken server. This isnt the first time I have watched a group of people fight on global instead of just going to the beach, or a siege. My suggestion to take away the medium of fighting on global would fix the issue. No more global, if you got a problem, start swinging at the person you have a problem with. It was a suggestion, it got shot down, end of story.
-------Papi Says.
All I have to say about this is that I was at the fight and you were not.
I did not start the fight the fight was started by Soomy through his own admission i did not want to fight. I was picked to help bring is bp together and help them learn to stay as a team
I am honored at that statements. One thing this does show me is that Soomy knew I would fight back and through your posts he knew you would ignore the attacks that your bp would have come under (like mine) on fvb ignored the constant fvb harassment and continued with your gameplay.
I WAS AT THE FIGHT ON FVB AND YOU WERE NOT (EVEN TACO WAS THERE) NUFF SAID..........
Papi - AKA Betrayed Royal
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Yes, grats, you were there.
Yes, grats, you were there. Kudos?
Now, can you keep it there? Or are you going to continue to make it a global and linone fight instead?
Got Blog?
1. I have not been on
1. I have not been on global for a few days. But your friend sure was.....
2. I answer anything or any accusation about me wherever it is global or here.
3. You talk about siege but never at a fight and leave bp when fight s start are you gonna grow some next fight. (prob not)
4. end of discussion (Unless you care to comment again) follow your own advice, ignore me, be quiet, don't tell me how to play my game (about the global or linone fights) zz
Papi - AKA Betrayed Royal
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I don't believe Sk8 calls
I don't believe Sk8 calls Rosie his "friend" anymore, but I could be wrong (unless, by "friend", you are meaning Soomy). His reasoning to not pick a side at this point is probably why he was not involved, heck, I don't even think he was online when this occurred. In either case, I cannot speak for him and I could be 100% incorrect.
1. I meant her not soomy,
1. I meant her not soomy, She was fighting tonight with cj and Tried to drag my name into the fight and I said leave me out of it.
2.They are friends..
Papi - AKA Betrayed Royal
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Okies, first of all I have
Okies, first of all I have to apologize I put my spoon in this soup even I am not from your server, but maybe totally outside point of view might give something to this mess in the end. Secondly I must say that I'm never really been for PvPing, that can be viewed as a good or bad thing for this issue you seem to be having, but I guess you might accuse me for being a bit too naive and good-willing most of the time.
But in my eyes there seems to be some major flaw in the thinking of the pledge who started this whole hassle (Soomy etc. ?). As I read the real reason from Soomy's blog why this fight was started, I can only wonder why it's such a surprise for the provoking side that it has raised such a huge discussions?
As Soomy explains in his blog, this fight had not a real reason at all, it was started just to test the unity of their own pledge and that was not explained to anyone. I just cannot understand how you thought the provoked pledge would take this as a fun PvP thing when they have no idea why they are being provoked to fight? If the server would be Dep, then in some distant way it might have gone through like a such, but even in there I doubt it would be gone through without huge speculation that what's the war about. In my eyes this has been quite weird leading really and such an action from my royal would cause serious trusting issues. But maybe blind following of the leader is considered as a good feature in some circles.
Now I understand this is Ken server and the effects for these kind of actions are thus limited by the game environment, but in Dep and LoA this would fastly spread into huge thing that can ruin the fun for lots of players (mind you, I am not too keen for warring, hehe), as you really cannot hunt anywhere in peace. But you must notice now what this kinds of actions caused also in Ken: the people who got dragged into the hassle unvoluntarily/not knowing why, sees it whole differently - for them it might not be something "fun PvP at the beach" -thing. It most likely makes them wonder why these guys suddenly wants to fight us, what they think we have done to them to result for this etc. Normally no war start without a reason and in my eyes they should not, even in online game. And why is that?
In a PvP server, where the bad sides of warring (field PK'ing) effects to your normal game play, many player does not want to war all the time, or even none of the time. Still pretty much every pledge tends to get in fights sooner or later and what I've noticed, it's often because of one or so player (yes, often also your own pledge member) twisting the truth to his/her own favourite: something that has been done to cause grief to others is left untold. Result is a war where both sides believes the other side started it and after awhile, no one knows anymore what's the fight really about. This has teached me to never follow blindly into fights before both side of the story is known. In LoA we have had these wars for years, and what I've seen from blogs etc. it's even worse in Dep. Barely anyone knows anymore what they are fightning for and so they are almost impossible to stop. Are they fun? Maybe if you are winning, and for that people seems to stretch the rules and do great efforts. But for me they seem to have turned mostly into bitter and hateful things rather than cheerful PvP.
As I think you thought this to be the cheerful kind of PvP, you forgot one major thing: for that kind of PvP to happen, it needs to be mutual agreenment from both sides. Not something you provoke opposite pledge in these fights without telling what's the deal; that only awakes speculation, hatred and fierce defence with both sword and pen/mouth, as it's always thought that the provoked side is accused of something. Fomr me it seems that now the provoked pledge has been only used as a tool to test the provoking side's members without much consideration of the people who have been provoked.
To sum it all, for me it seems like the provoking pledge (Soomy etc.) has, in this case, forgotten something I usually try to remind to people and why I also decided to reply to this thread: Have fun, but let others have too :)
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I all fairness to soomy. He
I all fairness to soomy. He provoked the fight out of me. However I gave specific rules to my members not to start a fight just end it. And I did just that. Attacking noobs on FVB is just lame. At least when we were called out to a fight it was much better. To randomly attack noob bp members on fvb on a non pvp server??? Low, insulting bullish, and harassment.
TY For your comments. Seems like you got the point of the matter. :>
Papi - AKA Betrayed Royal
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I dont understand how sk8
I dont understand how sk8 can say it was all good pvp fun...
soomys blog discredits that idea and the fact that rosie called ME and my friends there and NOT the 300 pledge...well that casts more discredit.
soomy never got on global but he sure got on the beach with his pledge...
I remember being shocked that he would involve himself in my whole issue with dead girl at all, after reading his sick blog I figured it out...
but I still say that for someone who wants to get rid of global sk8 you use it A LOT.
I dont need to remark about your real life persona, I take issue with your game personality and your ideas on how to help lineage, which in my opinion only really help you and your click.
You being skinny, short, tall or whateves dosnt change that I think your a twit for the whole remove global thing.
cjean
"The only friends that matter are the ones you can call at 4am."
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I dont understand how sk8
I dont understand how sk8 can say it was all good pvp fun...
soomys blog discredits that idea and the fact that rosie called ME and my friends there and NOT the 300 pledge...well that casts more discredit.
soomy never got on global but he sure got on the beach with his pledge...
I remember being shocked that he would involve himself in my whole issue with dead girl at all, after reading his sick blog I figured it out...
but I still say that for someone who wants to get rid of global sk8 you use it A LOT.
I dont need to remark about your real life persona, I take issue with your game personality and your ideas on how to help lineage, which in my opinion only really help you and your click.
You being skinny, short, tall or whateves dosnt change that I think your a twit for the whole remove global thing.
cjean
"The only friends that matter are the ones you can call at 4am."
www.crystaljeanelf.blogspot.com
Global chat adds far more
Global chat adds far more than you point out, maybe you play the game too long already to remember that.
For me and many other people global chat is the only place to communicate with other lineage players to ask or answer questions, place a PC, selling or buying items, discuss something or just to spice up a boring hunt with some fun comments.
Only a handful people using (or better abusing) the global chat in the way you told. Sadly those few people behave like Ken its their home, their server - but this isn't the case! They only cry louder than the others.
Use the exclude command to get rid of those who abuse gloabl chat for their private issues and wars. You'll see, its only a very few and always the same people.
well i first like to say i
well i first like to say i wish i could comment on lineage.com forums. ive tried 2 times to get old password with no help from support..... next ill say this about global. Ive quit lineage and played many games over the last 6 years. The one thing i missed most in most games is the ability to chat globally to the whole population. I have quit those game cuz of the total inability to ask questions as to how to advance in a new game. I would definetly quit lineage for good if i didnt have the ability to chat with the server, if they want to hear me or not should be their decision not mine. /chat off.....I feel sorry for Rosie and what may drive a person to do what she did. It was mean and i feel sorry for anyone hurt from it. That being said if she is sorry and not causing trouble the let her be. I hated orfen with a passion, mainly because she was rude to me for no reason, seemed like she just liked drama. Hell when she "died" i even shed a tear. I think the majority of the ppl think rose was rotten for doing that. BUT i think ppl are getting tied of hearing about what she did over and over. I respect the fact she is keeping her mouth shut for the most part... the old rose would argue with anyone for anything any time.., then get mad and yell out /exclude.lol. .....as for new players reading global and leaving , that should never be a consern. TRUST me lineage 1 has to worry about much more than the global. slow game play with high grind with the "uber" snobs will always keep new players away. I have tried to get 7 of my friends to play lineage over the years. ( all MMO players from other games)(and friends i mean real life friends and family) NONE made it past the free trial, that with me giveing them free stuff and millions of adena. and giving them help in understanding the game. the problom is slow slow game play with little excitment for new players. i went to dep as a "new" player, i was telling ppl i was new to lineage and need help. not beeging fo items and money just wanted to see if someone would party with me show me how to play, i got one wisper and was telling me to shut up and go to lindb qq one person did give me some noob items which did help, ther is so many simple ways to make this game more fun but it will never happen ... global never was the problem with new players. hell some global chat is a lot worst. if global goes so will a lot of people you watch. troy
well i guess you could say
well i guess you could say the we find it rather interesting that you would post the idea AT all on the boards...
"The only friends that matter are the ones you can call at 4am."
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seriously a stupid idea like
seriously a stupid idea like disabling global has destroyed what little credability sk8 may have had. As for the whole dead girl issue..thats just sick and twisted...that bish needs some serious help