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Fracas dishes out the gossip on NCsoft's Q & A with Fracas. When asked about what 2008 will hold for Lineage in the US, Fracas replied:

NCsoft's Fracas wrote:
We’re looking to implement new message boards, examining consolidating the servers a bit, and have another good season of events and custom content. I am also looking at the possibility of incorporating Game Guard in our territory to help crack down on security issues. I expect it to be very busy this year.

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Cant wait for all these

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Cant wait for all these changes!

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Cautiously optimistic in

Cautiously optimistic in regards to that whole "server consolidation" bit. The rest looked pretty good.

Now...what I wasn't sure about was if part of the hold up on Ep6 was because Fracas was tackling both parts of Ep6 in one sitting.

Wait...What??


My understanding of it

My understanding of it was... yes, he is.

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kinda making too many

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kinda making too many assumptions here..

lets just hope for the best

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From the QA Quote:2. So now

From the QA

Quote:
2. So now you’re working hard on Episode 6. What’s your current progress with it? How long do you think it’ll be before we see it, and what’s been so difficult about bringing it to the US?

Episode 6 is proving to be the most challenging Episode I’ve worked on so far. In addition to the standard blast of new content that comes with a new Episode, we’re also setting the stage for the ”Festival” content (which comes after Episode 6). This Episode also requires the implementation of a new patcher and launcher, which is something we haven’t had to update for quite a while. All I can say about it is that its a somewhat slow and painful process but we are making progress. I have no ETA at this time.

From a question on main forums...

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what is the "Festival" content he refers to? Is it the 2nd update to ep6 that korea had?

And Crickette's response...

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That's correct, I'm sorry for the confusion there.

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Now, lets discuss the

Now, lets discuss the merge!

How would you guys think the best way to merge the servers would be?

A) Merge the smaller population servers (Dep and Ken) into one larger, pvp server. Leave LOA as is. Leaving us with two PvP servers. Allow server migration of players choice.
B) Merge the two pvp servers into one. Leave Ken as is. Allow server migration of players choice.
C) Make it one Non-PvP server and one PvP and allow players to choose their new home between the two.

Or other suggestions?

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Now when the dual pink

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Now when the dual pink system is coming, I agree that the server merge is needed. It could be done either by:

C) Make it one Non-PvP server and one PvP and allow players to choose their new home between the two.

Or

Kind of C so, that people of LoA would be given a selection to move either to Dep or Ken after LoA would be closed. Because in LoA you have lots of players that started over in there (from Dep or Ken or totally newbie) simply because they had a say how the server is updated and the rules developed to be more starter friendly, when NCK hears pretty much nothing we suggest in here. But now every server runs in LoA rules and players have say how the rules are updated, so that's not an issue anymore and thus 2 servers (one PvP and one non-PvP) would be enough. So basically Dep has hardcore PvP population, ken has non-PvP population, when LoA has a mix of those. That's why I see it as reasonable way to tear down LoA and move the population to those two other servers when the PvP is opened more due to dual pink both in Dep and LoA.

But either one of these would be fine for me, whatever fits for NCA. Maybe some of the Dep people would like to move to non-PvP also, when the rules changes because of dual pink. Then the given C would fit better if it's not too much work.

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I like it, i do recognize

I like it, i do recognize the need for a merger. and it should mean loa people choosing between ken and dep. but im getting a hankering to spank some people around.

it should be 2 "new servers" that people choose from and make them both different names other than ken and dep. remove the server ID issues people have.


I would go with D) loa gets

I would go with

D) loa gets to choose transfer betwen ken or dep

I don't think toons from a non pvp server should be allowed to transfer into a pvp server.


in taht sense, thier is also

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in taht sense, thier is also the arguement,

why should ppl that had it ez mode (LoA) be allowed to go on to a server that has been following the old hard NCK rules for such a long time and only recently converted to the LoA rules..

either way, by the time this merge even happens, many on dep and ken will have had enough time to catch up to those on LoA in terms of gear/lvl

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but i guess its Fracas's

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but i guess its Fracas's goal to have an even distribution on both a pvp and non pvp server.. so only way to go about that is to let ppl on LoA/DeP migrate to Ken and allow the rest of dep to merge into LoA by default.

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ohhhh wait! let me get my

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ohhhh wait!
let me get my pitch fork and quickly put the horses in the stable house. i'm going through some tough time in real life these days and gets easily defensive o.o;

thought this would come up at sometime. i'm suprised fracas is working on this so soon. most of us thought it'd take about a year or even 2 before this came up.

i'm quiet sure what fracas say here isn't forcible "server merge". well this update comes from nck and was one of the components to the update we were going to get. the story is long but to make it short nck started to plan out services which can create additional source of revenue for them.

the first of this project was "server transfer/sex change/rename of characters" for a fee!
(my god!!!!!!!!!!!!!! name change T_T.... 5 years too late. for those who know me.. know i would have kept playing my knight if they brought this service 5 years sooner.. )

"the server transfer" aspect of course can be used to forcibly to consolidate our servers. i'm sure someone in NCA will do the math and see whether it is financially beneficial for them to go from 3 server system to 2 server system as opposed to potential profit gained through letting server transfer take place as it has in korea. If I remember the figures correctly, nck made something like $2m in one month and while some servers became deserted.. i don't think any servers were forcibly moved yet.

of course with our population and depending on how math/assumptions are made this can be very different for US servers. if anything, we'll have a choice to move our chars in and out for a fee. whether we'll have forcible merger? i doubt it but who knows? o.o; personally, if server transfer were to take place. there won't be many people leaving ken. our community is so small to a point.. we all know each other by name. we are tight group even though there are disputes. I can almost guarantee that many of LOA folks will move into Ken for many reasons. And WHOLE lot of LOA folks will move into Dep cause of hell system o_o;; and it will change the culture of DEP which will result some folks to migrate to Ken cause they are sick and tired of dealing with politics. After all, unlike most of the NonPVP MMORPH games, Lineage Ken server in particular still has PVP by siege system.. we just have the choice to attend the siege or fight at specified place. At the end, I think the servers will be somewhat evenly distributed..

Us, nice peaceful folks in Ken will welcome them all in open arms. o.o;; really we'd rather be left alone. we like our small community as is.. but if they come.... hack might as well welcome them.

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Make 1 PvP Make 1

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Make 1 PvP
Make 1 Non-PvP

both LoA ruleset

Allow all 3 servers to choose where to go to.

Allow for up to 1 year to change thier mind and switch server (but only once)

As for name changes, only do name changes for where thier are duplicates and allow those with the highest level seniority to keep thier names but dont allow them to change it, only allow the lower levels to change it..

that way we dont have bots changing thier name when they switch servers..

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This is from official

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This is from official boards~
Fracas
Hound at the Helm, Lineage I US

Quote:
"First off I have to say that this thread has been a fantastic reminder of why the US Lineage1 community is the greatest MMO community ever. We have 10+ pages of (mostly) constructive posts and well mannered debate. I am confident that if this were any other collection of people we would have seen obscene hooliganism after the first reply.

That said, I am overdue on joining in myself. So here we go.

For the server consolidation I have every intent to preserve both a PvE environment and a PvP environment. I wholeheartedly believe that both playstyles are valid and need to be available.

As for Ken vs. [insert server name or character name here] debates...

The Ken community may be smaller in numbers and "less hardcore" to some, but let's remember that this smaller "less deserving" portion of our player-base is responsible for almost all of our online game resources (lindb, lineageone) and was by far the largest represented sect at our latest meet and greet. I'm not saying they deserve more, however they certainly don't deserve any less for they obviously love the game as much as anyone else.

So, how to go about it? What I've been thinking is combining Dep and LoA and offering a one time transfer from this server to Ken. There would be no transfers allowed from Ken to "DepLoa" because in addition to believing that both rulesets need to exist. I also believe that if you want a high level character on a PvP server you need to start from scratch there and get ganked a lot like everyone else there did.

In addition to that belief I can recall several posts from players who wished they could transfer to Ken, but no posts from players wishing to leave. I could be wrong here though so feel free to call me out on it if I am (as if you wouldn't anyway ). Ultimately though I feel it would be silly to run a consolidation w/o some sort of accompanying character transfer/relocation service.

There are some other really good ideas in this thread about how to go about this though, and naturally we'll be talking about it a lot more after E6+ is out the door and the new forums are up. "
-Fracas


Source = http://boards.lineage.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=667021&Main=666827#P...

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wow thats big news o.o..

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wow thats big news o.o.. i'm glad we get to keep our PVE environment. i'm not so sure about new influx of players but as long as they don't beep, i'm not opposed to it. if they beep.. oh well i hope they all stay in those dungeons i haven't gone in for months.

i'm also really excited for DEP and LOA folks. i wonder if the combined server will have hell system. its something fracas left out on his post and i bet it will be a big issue for players on both servers. i wonder who will end up taking the castles. both loa and dep has some really hard core pledges/alliances that will want to control the castles. very exciting to see how everything ends up o.o;

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I think an influx of players

I think an influx of players is exactly what Ken needs. =)

Itll have its problems to those of us used to a small population, but I think itll fix more stuff than it messes up. Particularly the Economy.
I wouldnt expect the population to exceed more than double current peak numbers.

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I can wait for the sieges to

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I can wait for the sieges to start either! and i for one dont want hell QQ .... its very restricting

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I can agree with that mr

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I can agree with that mr bunnie.

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1. Make 1 server (PVP) 2. A

1. Make 1 server (PVP)

2. A Non-pvp server wont be worth running for the 200+ people

3. The pvp isnt as bad as most people make it sound, as long as you are in nuetral Pledge and dont
talk shit normally noone will attack you.

Never explain. Your friends do not need it and your enemies will not believe it anyway.


Quote:3. The pvp isnt as bad

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Quote:
3. The pvp isnt as bad as most people make it sound, as long as you are in nuetral Pledge and dont
talk shit normally noone will attack you.

as tru as that may be.. thier are still ppl who will push you around if u dont bend over for them so to speak.. (its happened to me, "i wont ever let you hunt in soe/lastavard/54f blah blah blah")

and then thier is the perfectly legit pvp tactic(according to nc) of chaomakin via summons/pets .. (hasnt happened to me yet, but i dont hunt w/ summons too often)

as well as the random greifer / binder who will prevent you from hunting certain areas cause their bots are hunting thier..

These are some of the things you can expect on a pvp server...

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That is a gross

That is a gross under-estimation of the number of people who want to be on a Non-PvP server...but have no desire to start over from scratch. With all the crap going on with BOTH Dep and LoA do you honestly think that none of the PvP (open field PvP I might add, Seiges still happen on Ken) players on these servers would welcome a change from all that crap?

I bet the actual numbers would be very surprising...including to me. I, for one, welcome anyone who wants to invade...join me one FI. :P

Wait...What??


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It's ok, I'll help you find

It's ok, I'll help you find it. Wait...you're not going to try and off me when my back is turned...are ya?

*crickets*

Well are ya??

Wait...What??


I would if ur name was

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I would if ur name was "Scouter", he stole it =(

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Quote:3. The pvp isnt as bad

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Quote:
3. The pvp isnt as bad as most people make it sound, as long as you are in nuetral Pledge and dont
talk shit normally noone will attack you.

Not really, yes if you are in a neutral pledge and you are not a major a**-hole you wont get attacked as much. I have definitlly been attacked for no reason at all. But it is alot better now then a couple of years ago.


Zzzz The Loa people are just

Zzzz The Loa people are just pansys. Just delete the server and then if they wanna play they can make a new char on Dep or ken. They're like 98% bots anyway


Yea what he said

Yea what he said


Improvements are always

Improvements are always welcomed and considering the increasing number of players I really hope that they will do more than what they've promised. We deserve more, right?
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