How do you all feel about the extremly many characters that was lvl 11, low con like 8con de, 18wis elves etc that get gambled by software for months until 300-600 hp at lvl 11...
Ban all existing?
Let it be legit for anyone else to do?
or the typical NC Stand on it, "let all old made be, ban any of old users who try make one".
i sure think about paying to get that kinda "help" to make one if they dont act upon it.. coz hey
i got lv70 w 21con, and even if relvl w 25con ya 1k hp lvl65, but spend 10-17 STATS to get it..
where they just get 25str/dex/wis and id be stuck with low on all and only have CON to get that kinda hp... -.-
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wtf? lvl 11 with
wtf?
lvl 11 with 300-600hp?
whom i need to kill to get this?
hehe
seriously... man, that is too unfair. I think any character with that amount of hp is easily detectable as "did something weird". i hope nc did something, but unfortunately i doubt :(
i bet u there is over 50+ of
i bet u there is over 50+ of them on LOA, i know names of many of em.. so prolly 200+ easy coz doubt i heard of all of em qq
and yea, i do intend to make one too if they dont give us some response on this soon.
definetly is unfair, no
definetly is unfair, no person in the right mind would do taht normally. (however, putting stats and then dlvl relvling to get taht kinda hp/mp i see nothing wrong with that, but hp gambling w/ help of software is just too much .. lvl 11 w/ 200+ hp and be pure str/dex/wis base.) it puts most base con chars to shame
I would vote to ban them all -.-
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The problem is if you can
The problem is if you can confirm there is even ONE person out there who is crazy enough to do it, you can't make it bannable because you don't know which of them was the legit one.
I continue to contend that they could fix a lot of problems with this game if you simply make stupidity a bannable offense.
Case in point ...
If you spend a couple of hours running into a wall in town while buffing yourself over and over again ... you are either a bot or you are stupid.
if they record every action
if they record every action we do, they could do the following
1. check hp (if high)
2. check what thier base con is (if 8)
3. check what they did (if they repetaidly died ..gain exp.. lvl die every day for 24 hours a day )
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Why should it be illegal to
Why should it be illegal to gamble hp/mp?
Doing it with a program, yes, is illegal, just like any other bot. But I dont see why the practice of doing it is illegal, just using a bot to do it is.
I could be wrong, but it feels like you are trying to make all instances of gambled characters illegal, and I dont think they should be. If you want to spend the time, more power to you.
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i believe he is only
i believe he is only pointing out the ones that used software to do it.
If you do it the legit way, then its all good!
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I have seen char's on Ken server, going into TI, at low level getting killed by guards then going back to the newbi maps, then showing back up in TI, redoing the guards, and over and over again. Now I know why, and yes they were bot like.
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well its simple, u ban it as
well its simple, u ban it as exploiting a bug and all is banned.. or u do nothing .. else NC wont do anything right anyways.
and so what if some get ban or what not if they didnt bot for it, we all been banned wrong by nc before.. so i dont really have any soft feelings for it :P
Sorry but I dont agree with
Sorry but I dont agree with that attitude on the subject.
Its not a bug, therefor is not an exploited bug. It is a game feature. Random level ups are a very important part of the game. If you want to take the time to level, delvl, relevel over and over and over again for the chance at higher rolls on hp/mp.... then by all means, more power to you! It is only a chance. You could very well screw your hp/mp up and have to start all over again. Its not a 100% chance that you will get better rolls.
Doing it by a bot, bannable, of course that isnt debatable. But its not bannable for a legit person to do it, and its wrong to say 'just ban them anyways, we all get banned at some point!' because that statement is just incorrect as well.
I have never been banned. For anything.
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I guess I just don't
I guess I just don't understand this whole concept.
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MP/HP gains on level up are
MP/HP gains on level up are based on random rolls between two set values. For instance, you can get anywhere from 6-12hp level up.
What these people (and apparently bots) are doing is taking advantage of that randomness.
They level to level 12, then delvl back to 11, over and over again. They do so in the hope that when they delvl, they will LOSE less hp than they gained on their last level up. So that when they relevel up to 12 again, they will have more hp than they did the last time they were level 12. They repeat the process. Over and over. Up 8hp, down 6, up 10, down 10, up 10, down 6, up 12, down 10... Slowly and slowly... Till eventually they make a level 12 character with godly HP. Its not guaranteed though... they could very well level up for 10hp, delvl for 12hp, up 8, down 12, up 6, down 10 in which case they will make a completely useless character with very very low hp. Additionally, just because they managed to get awesome hp, doesnt mean that they didnt entirely screw up their MP during the process.
I hope that answers your question =)
Its a gamble. And if a legit person wants to take the time to do the gamble, more power to them.
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I remember seeing a post on
I remember seeing a post on lineagecompendium of a lvl 1 knight w/ 1000hp w/ 18con base (this was before they set the lvl 10 limit thing)
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Hmmh.. I thought they made
Hmmh.. I thought they made an update years ago that was supposed to make the level up/down gambling not working anymore O_o? Or maybe they just upped the chance to lose more in the level down than gain in the level up and so leave a smaller window for it to be successful?
Anyways, in my opinnion the whole system should have been fixed totally then so it's not possible to do it. It makes no sense for people to purposely level up and down for days, weeks or months and in that way create something that was not intented for the game. Can they ban the players who have done so? I do not think so, unless NCA can prove bots have been used. And as we all know, they are not too good in detecting even more obvious bots -_-
So best way in my eyes would be to ask NCK to implement simple feature to the server that prevents this system to work. Server would simply save in the database for every character the amount of HP and MP it gained in the last level up and use those when the character de-levels. Simple solution for the problem and would stop the misusing of the system and the annoying situation when you unintentionally de-level in death and lose HP or MP in the process. Why to fix this? Apparently it's the cheaters who take the advantage of this, why offer more ways to cheat in the game when it could be prevented so easily?
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Actually the above
Actually the above suggestion would not fix it totally either, my bad -_-
Did not take into consideration the situation, where character would de-level more than once. So actually the system would need to have such a value stored in the database for every level-up, but that should still be easily doable.
When character gets level-up the gained HP+MP is stored in database with current level value. When de-level occurs, the amount of HP+MP gained on the level-up is retrieved from the database, used to drop the HP and MP equal to those amounts, after the values for that level are erased from the database.
But there is still quite apparent flaw in this system, as it would basically allow players to level and de-level without risking to lose anything in the process until they have maximum possible level-up gains, hehe. The generated difference between characters, comparing the maximum HP+MP gain chars to players who just keep going with decent level-ups, would be a lot less than in the current system tho. So the gains in this system would be to make it impossible to create insanely high HP+MP characters, but the chance for the gambling at some degree would still be there. The system would also make it better for casual gamer as there would not be possibility to lose HP+MP in the de-levels.
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Ahhhhhhhhhhh.....
Ahhhhhhhhhhh..... okay thanks Sk8. I heard of that way back when I started but I thought they ended that my self.
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