Today was Diad siege and TimWalker (comment deleted) showed up to prevent to open Diad. To my surprise Zyxial joined him and both kept dragging mops to the people who were wacking the gates. Further they casted silence and destory on the lower level people at main gates.
Why would someone want to keep Diad closed on a server with less than 200 people online? o.o Well, the answer is pretty simple, if you have a bot running in resistance it simply sucks when people keep accuesing it and get alerted every time a monitor whispers your bot. I don't know if Zyxial has running a bot there but I know that TimWalker was helping him.
Someone told me that Zyxial had this own reason and is not related to TimWalker. He wanted to keep people away from SOE and Lastavard 2f. Uh? Only higher level hunt there and those don't care if Diad is open or not, they hunt there whenever they want, either they use a return scroll or 10 cheap frags to get there. What a dumb excuse o.o
I have no respect for people who behave like this and supporting bots on a server with max 200 people online. There were people who wanted to distrub the seige too but in the moment they have seen TimWalker they joined the team to break down the doors, all except Zyxial - what a jerk!
That's because Zyxial is a
That's because Zyxial is a douche bag. I thought everyone knew this already? I came back to Ken awhile ago and within the first few days I realized how much of a loser he was lol. Sucks too cause I enjoy the opportunity to hunt Diad without spending 2m on a scroll and being stuck down there just to get my money's worth.
Ajax
I thought he's a cool guy
I thought he's a cool guy but he proved that I was totally wrong. I wonder why he doesn't setup his own private server so he can have all mops for himself but I guess he behave like that to get some attention at least, bad attention is better than no attention at all.
(Comment deleted for
(Comment deleted for violation of Lineageone.com terms of service) I helped him level in his early character but he like others has turned out bad. zero community and all selfisness.
this is one of the reasons all servers should become pk to punish people like this.
alas ken is protected and is the only way he can continue to get away with it as do the bots.
Please note any action against X11 is the sole responsibility of zyxial and thos who support him. the people attacking X11 are not at fault. i have remained neutral for a long time to keep away from the drama. i have given permission for some of my members to take what action they deem just.
i am sorry to say this but it seems X11 has taken the side of someone like Zyxial, over better and kinder people.
dont hate me roo if i hit you. remember its not my fault its yours.
Molindar
I would advise you to
I would advise you to rethink your position.
Like it or not, Diad is a siege. If YOU decide to bring what happens at a siege outside of sieges, then what happens is in fact your responsibility.
I find it odd that you were willing to -- as you put it -- stay neutral while bots and hackers run the server; but if one person decides to settle a grudge (at a siege ... where the game is designed for such things to happen) you are ready to go to war.
It's been 24 hours. Try calming down and letting Roo figure out how he is going to deal with this. A solution that satisfies everyone might be possible at this point, but if your threats become actions against anyone in my pledge who did not provoke an attack, things will become a lot more difficult going forward.
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Now allow me to take my X11 hat off and put my Lineageone.com moderator hat on. You KNOW the rules about allegations of cheating on this site. We cannot confirm them on a case-by-case basis so we do not allow them. If you don't know that, you should. It has been stated time and again. I have personally deleted some threads [Post Edited by Administrator]. Let's just keep that out of it.
Post Edited by Administrator. Bad Chryses! Fell into that old trap! lol
let the chips fall where
let the chips fall where they may.
it goes deeper than grudge issues. perhaps the story that is being told isnt as factual as it may appear.
i never said i stayed neutral while bots/hackers, never said that. dont put words where they were not. your assumption that i stood by is dead wrong. report the facts as you can prove them . you have no idea what actions conversations and accusations i have made to monitors, gm's and letters to nci bad assumption C.
the seige situation was more about opening diad for all people not just a pledge focus. so the issue became 1-2 people bringing mops and dropping them on the people trying to open seige for more than themselves. and with many requests to that person and those in the same pledge to stop, nothing was done. so people are mad and they can take any action they desire.
i support them in their desire to vet their frustration in the only way we can on this server. we know its generally a non pk server but if a pledge supports a negative witnessed behavior and does nothing then they too are complicit in that behavior.
frustrations are getting high. people need a spanking. unfortunately we cannot hurt those in non pk areas but we can make the hunting more difficult.
Molindar
molindar wrote:let the chips
i never said i stayed neutral while bots/hackers, never said that. dont put words where they were not. your assumption that i stood by is dead wrong. report the facts as you can prove them . you have no idea what actions conversations and accusations i have made to monitors, gm's and letters to nci bad assumption C.
I do not mean to suggest that you have done nothing. You might be reporting bots and hackers until you are blue in the face. However, I never saw you at a siege when the bots were helping Unity and SLM take castles. I never saw you at a siege when the bots themselves had IGG.
There were screen shots of hacks being used by one of the members of the pledge that was holding WW last time I checked ... screen shots on his own blog ... but I doubt that will be enough to push you into that fight.
None of that was enough to pull you into a fight, but now you are suddenly willing to throw away friendships by encouraging attacks outside of sieges over something that took place IN a siege.
See my post below ...
All I am suggesting is that you should give Roo an opportunity to handle this before you take or encourage actions that could could have ramifications long past the resolution of this matter.
take another look at what i
take another look at what i said. i am talking specifically about player xxxial and not bots. this specific thread is about him/her. if you want to get into a detailed discussion as to my involvment or lack of involvement in bot or bot behavior/intervention/seiging by all means start another thread. this thread is about zyxxxx and those that continued to support the activity that was going on.
we each choose our line of involvement in the cause that we choose which is our right by sheer existance. if you are disapointed in my specific involvement in any issue thats your right to complain about. but trying to equate bots and player zxxxxl as to my choice to get involved and in a different way to get involved is a stretch upon a reach.
As i have done many times and as red had taught me, the leader/s on at the time, stop the behavior and then consult with people on the recieving end of the actions and those accused of causing the actions that are causing a problem. then the leaders of the pledge can get together and work it out. however, many people in the pledge supported the actions that were found wanting and things have boiled over.
Perhaps in a day or 2 if someone complains to me maybe ill have a chat with people who are harrassing another pledge and perhaps ill try and calm them down and away from behaviors, but i cant control anyone in my pledge especially if they are working out a grudge in or out of seige.
i never said i was throwing away friendships. i never brought it up. i like the fact i can spank someone like roo and we still like one another. (Roo wana be spanked ?)
Molindar
I only bring the bots up to
I only bring the bots up to illustrate the point that I find it odd that THIS is what gets you involved.
I also find it odd thatyou readily admit that you "cant control anyone in (your) pledge especially if they are working out a grude in or out of a siege" but you expect Roo to be able to do exactly that.
silly that was a quip in
silly that was a quip in response to something you had said earlier to illustrate a point. perhaps a re read and re focus on the subject.
of course i have complete control in my bp.
Do what i say or get the hell out.
Now within that I'm not a puppet master and 98% of the time don't need to get involved in what my peoples are doing. but when that need arises i take action, and if i say stop a specific behavior that could cause problems with another pledge they stop or they get the hell out. its not a popular or easy stance to take but it is important for a leader to lead and be respected not just liked.
its about choosing whats best for the bp not just 1 person.
For me its easy to choose the bp over the individual.
Molindar
needs of the many out weigh the needs and actions of the one.
That's all good, and I agree
That's all good, and I agree with all of it.
I'm just asking you to keep in mind that Roo is in a different time zone than most of the people effected by this. He needs to be able to talk with several people before making a decision. Afford him the opportunity to discuss this with everyone and find some resolution. If then you don't think it has been resolved to your liking have it.
I just hope that you will have enough respect for him not to promote a rush to action that will only result in hard feelings that will extend well beyond what might otherwise be a reasonable resolution to the problem.
i understand your feelings.
i understand your feelings. and will for now temper my frustration outflow.
M.
Um, Diad is a player vs NPC
Um, Diad is a player vs NPC siege on a none PvP server. I've asked support and I got a clear answer that this behavior is against the User Agreement and the rules. And team up with a known bot makes the whole thing worst.
Zyxial didn't attacked straight, no he waited until the people got hit by mops then silenced and casted destroy on them and dragged mops later, so did TimWalker.
Zyxial lost respect of many people due to that, even former friends of him don't tolerate this. Instead of fighting against bots he's helping them o.o
I understand that X11 sticks together but what Zyxial did is just chicken and I bet he doesn't care at all, neither about his pledge mates or other players, nor does he realize that he helped a bot. Does X11 really want such a nut in pledge?
coronis wrote:Um, Diad is a
I do not believe that to be true, but if it is it reinforces my point that people should just calm down and see how this plays out before acting rashly. If it is in fact against the user agreement, Zyxial will be banned and this will all be over.
I understand you all are
I understand you all are angry. Further, I am all for you venting your frustration with the situation.
However, Roo should not be expected to make a knee jerk reaction to the events. He has done a lot -- in game and out -- for the Lineage community and he deserves to be given at least a day to figure out a solution that might be mutually acceptable.
All I am suggesting is that he has earned enough respect to be given 24 hours to think things through and that any ACTION taken in that time, could well destroy friendships that could otherwise be saved by whatever decision he comes to.
Chryses: You realize you
Chryses: You realize you just made the same allegations against Molindar that you are asking him not to make by insinuating that you have removed allegations against him and members of his pledge. That comment did not need to be made to get your point across and came off as unprofessional in your little 'now ill switch and represent the site from a complete outsider perspective that has nothing to do with how I feel personally about the situation in question' paragraph.
When Credence stopped participating in opening Diad, members of X11 and other pledges hounded us and claimed we were greedy, selfish, and didnt want to share because we no longer wanted to open the castle. There were whole threads about it here (was started by an X11 member too, btw), similar to this one we are reading about Zyxial.
Now, the tables have turned. X11 is now the one that is the reason it is not being opened... And all X11 has to say is 'its a siege and thus player against player action is completely acceptable in any form'. All Credence did was not go and we were called Greedy. X11 stops it from being completed when people are actually trying, which is much worse than what Credence did. Yet, X11 is infallible, and the actions of their members not only do not reflect their pledge, but are also not as bad as those of Credence, even though the no action of Credence was not as bad as the tangible actions of X11.
I also find it interesting that you feel it not right of Molindar to allow Zyxials actions to reflect those of his pledge when X11 immediately puts the actions of anyone onto the pledge that they are in when they did it. Historically, X11 repeatedly takes action against a certain pledge for what a particular member of their pledge does, accepting it as the actions of the whole pledge for even allowing the member in that pledge that did the negative actions. Need evidence of that? See Rings and Sacredheart for a perfect example.
And this is laughable as well.
Just say it C. Dont beat around the bush. The person you refer to is (name deleted). And the 'hacks' you refer to are nothing other than sprite and skin changes. Something that, regardless of how much you want to say otherwise, even people in X11 use. There is no difference between what (name deleted) uses and what many other people use to change spartoi into DK, or necro into 55 morph, or any number of other sprite changes that people use all the time that are NOT hacks no matter how much you wish they were. Are they bannable? For NC to decide. Wheres the difference in changing fight music in game to play 'Bad to the Bone' instead of the lame game music, and changing spartoi to look like DK?
I also find it funny that YOU, as a representative of Lineageone.com, can post an indirect accusation of cheating against another player, but Molindar can not post such an accusation and you made it a point to mention that fact to him. Is it because you did it indirectly by saying 'leader of the pledge that owns WW' instead of saying 'the leader of Unity, (name deleted), the pledge that currently owns WW'?
Wait and see how it plays out? In case you didnt realize, it is playing out in front of you. THIS IS how it is going to play out. The people that Zyxial has wronged are now taking action against him, and the pledge he represents. If the pledge he is in does not want his actions to be a reflection of their emblem, then that is in their hands to fix. And we all know NC wont take action against him. (from my point of view I dont see that they even should, btw) But the people of Ken server apparently are going to lump the actions of an X11 member into the bucket of that pledge, thus making it the pledges actions. Just the exact same way X11 would have done to any other pledge that did the same thing to them.
Once again all I see from this is X11 doing something to someone and it being ok, where as if someone else would have done the exact same thing to X11, they would be blowing up over it.
I am not putting this on Roo, Roo didnt do it. And I could care less what Zyxial did or who he did it with. I could care less if Diad is opened or not. I am just writing this post to point out the huge inconsistencies in what X11 is allowed to do and what people are allowed to do to X11. The differences between what some people are allowed to say about different players here on these boards and what some people get called out for saying and told that if they continue to say it their post will be removed.
Where is the moderator that is going to remove the accusations from your post? Who is going to warn you that your accusations could be removed and arent allowed here?
Its all a bunch of utter bullshit and its gone on for a very long time uncontested.
Feel free to continue to lopsidedly control your site in X11's favor (as well you should, as you guys are the ones putting in the work for it.) Just dont be surprised that in game, where people make their own decisions, X11 members are apparently going to be punished as a pledge, for the actions of a member that represents the pledge he is in. Exactly as this thread indicates they plan to do.
I'm sorry, but you are way
I'm sorry, but you are way off base here.
1) You have frequented Lineageone.com enough to know the rules. We do not allow people to be singled out by name as cheaters for reasons that have been stated before. Keep it general. Keep specific names out of it. That's all we ask. I will delete the name from YOUR post as soon as I am done here. You have NO idea how many references I have deleted and how many entire threads I have deleted that make specific accusations about all kinds of players from all three servers. You will notice that I will not delete your reference to someone in X11 using the same hacks I pointed out ... even though I would be interested in seeing your proof because there has always been a pledge rule against it.
2) It is against the terms of service to make alterations like the one in question to the game client. It gives players who do it a clear advantage over players who do not. What is it you are always saying? Why must I continue to be punished for following the rules? (That's all I am going to say on the matter here because the original point of the thread is important enough that it should not be hijacked).
3) I have never said action should not be taken against the entire pledge for the actions of a single person. Sometimes that is the only course of action if a wrong is not righted. I have made two points. First, sieges are sieges and retaliation for something that happens in a siege should (in my opinion) be contained to sieges. Second, before threats become action Roo should be given a flippin' day to come up with a solution. I will stand by whatever he decides. If he comes up with a solution that puts this all to rest, great. If not, then have it. It is simple for me. It has always been simple for me. It always will be simple for me. I go where Roo goes. If that means he boots everyone but me from the pledge so be it. If that means I end up fighting the entire server, so be it.
Its funny that you dont
Its funny that you dont remove the whole Blog of the person that posts here on their 'LineageOne blog' that has skins on his client. By your standards, he is a 'hacker'. Yet you allow him to chronicle his 'hacking' lineage experience here on this site. He is also a prominent member of the actual Lineage forums and posts there near every day. I have nothing against him and could care less about his skins. But you should be yelling at him and slandering his name, because apparently it bothers you a lot.
Sprite changes are not hacks. Hacks are third party programs. Sprite changes just change the appearance of the client. They dont increase your swing speed or cast speed or walk speed. They dont allow you to walk through people or bot. They dont auto cast. They simply change the way things look for the user, and go completely unnoticed by anyone else. I personally dont use them at the moment. But I will admit that in my early days of Lineage, I had the Skeleton to DK morph sprite. It made the grind to 50 in Skeleton morph seem not so dull because I felt like DK, even though I swung, walked, casted, and was... a Skeleton. At that same time I had a skin that changed the background of my inventory window to also be a picture of DK, to spice things up a little on the otherwise boring appearance of the Client. By your standards, I was a hacker. And I do not feel any shame for it, nor do I feel any desire or need to hide that sprite usage from anyone.
If you want to use sprite changes as a reason to motivate other pledges to go after a person or pledge that you go after, then by all means do so. But you are making a mountain out of a mole hill by doing so. Out of everything that 'cheaters' use, access and ability to change Sprites and Game Client Skins should be at the top of the list of items that NC should give us a way to modify and control ourselves.
Yes, I can name only one member of your pledge that uses Sprite changes. He used Spartoi to DK morph and posted pictures of it on his blog. I will not post his name because I see no reason to turn his pledge against him for something that is none of their business, because he is a great guy and shouldnt suffer the wrath of X11 because he walks around feeling like he looks like DK even though he's really only in spartoi morph. I can also name people from Chakra, Rings, and SLM, that all use Sprites too. I could care less about their sprites. Most of the sprites, such as the big item sprites you claim as 'hacks' actually end up hurting the usability of the interface just as much as they help it. For every one potion that is easier to see, there are whole floors of potions (see 51f+) that make it more difficult to target the actual monsters, because you cant right click through all the huge potions on the floor to get to the monster. I wont name any of those names because I could care less about their client and Sprite changers are the absolute lowest on the totem pole of people that negatively impact our game play. If they didnt intentionally post pictures of their sprite changes, you would have never knew about it.
By the way, I only mention any of this because you decided to make it a point to call out my pledge as a distraction from the actions of your pledge members. How ever indirectly you go about doing that doesnt matter, you still did it. Something unneeded as far as the subject of this thread goes, but you did it, so here I am, watching the subject of the thread trail off.
Too bad there are no moderators to moderate the moderators that dont post by the rules they claim to enforce. If I had not put in my, generally unwanted, two cents... It would very well have been you punishing Molindar for what he did, and then in the very next post you got away with doing what you removed from his post.
At the end of the day, I could care less about all of this. Could care less about sprite changers. Could care less about what Zyxial did and what the repercussions of that is.
I just hate to watch such double standards take place.
Got Blog?
For someone who doesn't
For someone who doesn't care, you sure have an awful lot to say on the subject.
I have said a million times, I have no problem with you. You, however, seem to be developing an increasingly severe problem with me. That's fine.
I appreciate you calling me out for what I did. I slipped. I got too close to identifying someone I was accusing of something, and I attempted to correct it in much the same way I would attempt to correct it if someone else did it. I sincerely hope you will continue to do it because I will inevitably slip again at some point; and as you said, someone needs to police the police.
We do the best we can here to provide information and a forum for the Lineage community, but I don't pretend to be without fault.
I am not going to go any further into the discussion of sprite changes (although whether you know it or not, there is a LOT more to it than you are letting on and I would be more than happy to go into it in a more private setting) other than to say what I have already said: It is against the terms of service to change sprites and in this particular case it gives the person engaging in the illegal activity a clear advantage over people who play by the rules.
Sorry for the side-track,
Sorry for the side-track, but just could not let this go.
I am agreeing with Chryses that sprite and interface changes are indeed hacks. You are modifying the software in a way it was not intended and thus hacking it. Granted, it's not as severe as example speed hacks, but it's still hacking. Sprite changes can also bring advantage to the users as Chryses said, good example being the Dancing Sword replacers.
People might say that it's perfectly alright to use these hacks because they bring very little advantage if any at all. How about modifications to client that tells you certain scripted drops if they are on the floor, the location of them, the monsters in the preloaded data of the floor (aka radar) etc.? Who in the end tells you what's OK and what's not, where's the limit how far you can push it?
You see, when you start stretching the rules some people always start to take it further and we all see the result. Some people think the sprite changes are OK, other ones draw the line to the more advanced client mods when others think things like speed hacks and bots being totally valid because so many uses them. Same goes to account sharing, people think it's all right because it's difficult to track down and so many shares an account to get an advantage / try to keep up.
So to answer that question above, NCA is the one who places and has placed these rules for Lineage. The rules given by NCA tells you what you can and can not do and they forbid all these hacks etc., also sprite changes. In my opinion people should play by the given rules or not play at all. Too bad NCA don't want to, or is even able to police all their rules, so people are stretching them further and further.
Situation would of course be different if NCA would allow some of these modifications to be used, like example in WoW. But until then, please, play by the current given rules folks. Thank you.
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On second thought, you are
On second thought, you are right about one thing. I re-read my post and realized that I did probably get a little too specific about the person I was referencing. To that end, I have edited it to make the reference bit more vague.
I'm all for giving Roo some
I'm all for giving Roo some time to think of a good solution, but a "good" solution at this time shouldn't take that long to come to. His actions should not be tolerated and he should have been removed from X11 the moment Roo became aware of them, as should anyone who thought it was perfectly fine to stand up for Zyxial doing it. He has proven to be a disruptive and generally negative influence as a result of his actions.
Back when I was in a pledge with him, I gave him a second chance after his association with Injection (even despite my initial misgivings). He was neither positive nor negative so I just went on being relatively neutral towards him. However, his actions and behavior of late are all but identical to that of Injection, a loud-mouthed bully with nothing but his own petty and selfish interests at heart.
We players have VERY few options when it comes to getting rid of those kinds of truly cancerous attitudes and behaviors. The only one we really have is to shun and shame them....till they just leave in disgust.
And on the off-chance that Z decides to read this...you are heading down the same slope that ultimately caught Injection...watch your ***. That's not a treat, that's a warning...NC has shown a willingness to remove flagrant offenders of common decency.
Wait...What??
Yall know me .. I will man a
Yall know me .. I will man a gate. I like Diad open. Had a forced break for a few months and now ppl are draggin mops onto my noobs .. o.0 .. cause they don't like Zyxial? .. gime a break. Im here to hunt and have fun .. not Drama. If any of you want to fight me cause Im in Roo's pledge then I spose we will fight, I'm not leavin'. 1st blow won't be mine though. I'm here for entertainment.
Hada go ahead an put my 2cents in cause some of you are already turning this into more that what it is .. a problem with Zyxial.
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Make a note of anyone who
Make a note of anyone who does that, Tikie. After this is handled, and it will be handled, I will remember the people who decided to bring this outside of the siege zone.
Dun-duh duhhhhhh and the
Dun-duh duhhhhhh
and the earth shook.
lol
Molindar
LOL put it mildly. It is not
LOL put it mildly.
It is not the first time that X11 members ruined a Diad siege on purpose.
But to be frank:
Well Chryses, that was a poor display of yours. To say it in german: Idiotic and ridicoulous argumentation of yours. Only thing it showed me, that LineageOne.com is no more a neutral platform for the player. It became a X11 site. Nothing more to add.
I make a lot of idiotic and
I make a lot of idiotic and ridiculous arguments. Sometimes I do it on purpose. Sometimes I surprise myself. I'm afraid you are going to have to be more specific.
(playing on goat's itunes
(playing on goat's itunes right now!!) Goat paid his dues.. time after time.. Goat done his sentence.. but committed no crime.. and bad mistakes.. Goat made a few.. Goat had his share of sand kicked in Goat's face.. but Goat come through!! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS MY FRIENDS!! WE'LL KEEP ON FIGHTING TILL THE END!! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!! WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!! Noooooo time for losers cause we are the champions of Lineage.. etc..
X11 already lost reputation
X11 already lost reputation due to this, its really not a good idea to stick to someone who team up with TimWalker. Both dragged mops, silenced and destroyed ppl while their where fighting against NPC behind the gate.
Believe me, if you had seen what the ppl at seige have seen, I'm sure you would give him a kick as well. Zyxial was cheek enough to decline that he dragged mops - man all have seen it!
TimWalker has a cool COI which can be re-enabled within 1/10 secs after a dectect. I'm not sure but wasn't there a delay before you can go invisible again?
I hope both get banned - at least a few days for what they have done. And don't tell me that TimWalker was accidentally there too. LOL!
Quote:TimWalker has a cool
You can go into COI immediately after coming out. Whether you are detected out or just take it off, there is no delay.
There are delays on the spell. If you detect yourself out of spell you can not cast the spell again for a few seconds. If someone else detects you out there is no delay.
Not that what you describe TimWalker as doing doesnt sound suspicious in itself (to so quickly double click coi to get back into invis after detect)... but the ability to do so is there. Whether the player in question has the skill to do it or not is questionable.
Got Blog?
I have a few comments to
I have a few comments to make here.
1. Sk8, you're an ididot, there I got that off my chest. NCsoft actively permits changes to music/sound files on the Lineage Client ONLY. In fact, they encourage it on the lineage.com website here. Any other changes are illegal. Any changes that gives a player an unfair advantage is illegal. You bed i'd love the lineage client to show those invisible rings laying on the ground in huge sprites... If you have an accusation to make against someone in X11, you tell NCsoft and you tell me. We have a zero tolerance policy in pledge on these issues, we have in the past banned for it.
2. Coronis - I'd like to thank you for being the only player affected to actually take the time to talk to me about the problem. I appreciate that and value what you have to say.
3. Molindar - Thank you. I have issues to discuss with you, but I have no intention of airing them publicly.
4. I appreciate that some of Ken are unhappy with the actions of one of our pledge members. We regard this as an internal matter and will deal with it accordingly. I would like to remind you that as even you tell us here on the forums, non siege PvP on Ken, dragging/stealing mops and player harassment is a violation of the ToS.
Finally, given the nature of this thread, i'm going to go ahead and lock it - as it's quickly tuning into a "You Bot", "Me no Bot" thread.
Roo.