Hi all,
lately I'm hunting TOI 41f regularly and know most of the other players who are often there but there is one player MabyDuck (name totally changed to protect the bots anonymity regarding the forum rules) with awesome skills!
MabyDuck is a lvl 60+ fire elf and hunts 41f in melee. When he attacks a Lesser Dragon he casts Greater Heal and Blood to Soul - both without the known delay! When saw this I thought - cool, that really helps and asked on global about the trick to cast g-heal without delay after b2s? The answer was: Get a bot program! x.x
Ok, it can be due to a laggy connection but MabyDuck has more skills! I'm a wind elf and everyone knows that wind elves have the fastest walk speed due to wind walk - but thats no problem for MabyDuck! He can easily outrun me as fire elf! Cool - I thought by myself and asked on global again: What trick MabyDuck uses? Again the answer was: Cheat, bot... x.x
Well, again, this can be due to laggy connections but MabyDuck can more! His swing speed is faster than of an elf on wafer and haste - and that without the need to eat a wafer at all! I followed him 10-15mins and he never ate a wafer - cool! I globaled again and got the same answer: cheat, bot x.x
So I did the final test to see if he is a bot. The Lesser Dragons on 41f have an area attack and every player tries to avoid comming close to someone who is wacking a dragon but not MabyDuck! He walks his way regardless if you fighting a dragon or not but as soon as he takes damage from a monster - he fights back, even if you are already kicking it - that's no lag issue - thats the auto-fight back option of a bot program.
After that I accused MabyDuck and informed the monitor on global about this rule breaking 'player' - but nothing happend - MabyDuck still turns his rounds on 41f, without cast delay, faster than on wafer but without using wafers.
What does that mean? Is it allowed to use cheats and 3rd party programs now? Must be the reason because nothing happend at all...
January 30th, 2008. Sk8
January 30th, 2008. Sk8 Reports MabyDuck to Monitor for bottin in Recluse. Monitor breaks out laughing at MabyDucks name. No action take against MabyDuck.
http://credencebp.blogspot.com/2008/01/had-interesting-conversation-with.html
April 9, 2008. Almost 4 months later. After huge issues with MabyDuck, and as many as 30 reports of MabyDucks obvious cheating to a monitor... Sk8 makes a rant post about MabyDuck if for no other reason than to rant. As of that day, I had personally called a monitor to MabyDucks location to show the monitor the obvious cheating over 30 times. The monitor (shift+up)'d the same 'We will do the needful' response each time. No action was taken against this blatant cheater.
http://credencebp.blogspot.com/2008/04/here-is-some-old-stuff-from-in-between.html
May 1, 2008. 5 total Months had passed. MabyDuck had advanced from DK morph to Silver Morph. The amount of reports to the monitor increases. The amount of autoresponses from a monitor saying 'We will do the needful' increases.
The action taken against MabyDuck remains the same... none at all.
http://credencebp.blogspot.com/2008/05/first-time-i-reported-mobydick-to.html
July 10, 2008 MabyDuck continues botting and cheating and hacking and laughing in the face of every player, and every monitor, and every NC employee. Over 7 months later. Over 100 reports to a monitor later. Over 100 accuses later. (Not just my own, as almost everyone on Ken server has reported him and accused him.)
MabyDuck continues to recieve no punishment for his actions and continues to reap massive rewards.
Sk8 quits Lineage.
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You just have gone berserk
You just have gone berserk after you showed a monitor what MabyDuck does and nothing happend!
Usually I never swear on global but if the same happend to me I would flood global with swearings of that kinda that lead to an instant ban.
Man, the word 'sucks' doesn't nearly fit here!
I hope you don't really quit Lineage yet, at least not before you made NC's bot handling practice more public to let all people know to avoid ALL NC titles. We all should do that. Post it in all gaming boards, don't give up until everyone knows how NCsoft treat legit customers! If they do it for one of their top titles - I don't want to know how the treat gamers of their sub titles like GuildWars, Dungeon Runners, etc. BAH!
I've heard legends about
I've heard legends about him... he is like a monument to NCA failure.... and I'm pretty sure saying names is a lineage boards rule, not lineageone, and besides, anyone with 1/2 a brain knows your talking about mobydick... I don't even play ken and I know about him lol, think hes made more apearances in more blogs cheaters area, than any other char in lineage.
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Try it, if you name a bot
Try it, if you name a bot here, Chryses will remove or change the name. You can check older posts about bots here. I can understand that for the offical boards but really don't understand why it's not allowed here! I mean when someone says Sk8 or Coronis is a bot - LOL - with a population of around 200 people on Ken everyone knows the other one - friend or foe - doesn't matter.
You are right. I try to
You are right. I try to police it ... mainly because particularly on Dep and LoA we don't know the situation well enough to know whether someoneis a known bot or not and we don't want the accusations thrown around.
As anyone will tell you, though, we are far from perfect. Sometimes people try to make masked references that end up coming too close to identifying the accused (I have been guilty of it myself and have attempted to fix those posts as well when it was pointed out to me).
This post comes REAL close (lol) but I am not going to worry about it because:
A) You have to draw the line somewhere and admittedly that line has to have a little give to it; and
2) I don't think there is going to be any controversy here regarding the person you may or may not have come too close to identifying; and
C) The whole policy is a huge headache intended to protect the innocence and, frankly, this bot is not worth the two Tylenol.
Well said Mr. C. Perhaps
Well said Mr. C. Perhaps we could refer to him by my in-game name for him...MabyDickless. And just for the record, I have personally accused him in Abyss Lake at least 50 times, and have even called on a monitor for his hacks, especially when he walks right through me to get at a mop. Anyway, I stopped reporting him a couple of months ago when it became obvious to me that the only thing I was accomplishing was wasting my own time.
Note: the last time I saw him in Abyss Lake was about a month ago, but I've been leveling a couple of storage characters lately and haven't been on Val as much. 90% of the time I am in the lake, I am the ONLY player there, "sharing" my hunting area of choice with 4-6 bot bot teams (melee + heal mage).
Anyway, my frustration with "maybe bot" resulted in my not even bothering to report bots anymore since its pointless.
~Val
Tact is for people who aren't witty enough to be sarcastic."
You are so right on the
You are so right on the money with this comment...
This one bot has been reported by far too many people and he is still playing. He isnt the only one either.
NC Management has to be involved before this point. With all the players who have reported Mobydick he should be gone... unless something else is going on????
What else could it be? This cheater is still cheating. NC Support knows of this Cheater from many sources. Is there any way possable that NCA dosen't know of this bot?
He must be an NC employee or employee protected Cheater? Is my logic wrong?
Everything Happens for a Reason.
We have 200 mabyducks on
We have 200 mabyducks on loa... I can't imagine playing this game much longer if it continues. There is no point in playing a competitive game when it is not fairly played.
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whats sad about it, is even
whats sad about it, is even if they are banned, much of the damage they do is not reversable... at least 75% of the absolute barriers on LOA were botted from the elementalist room in recluse village... what are you going to do, remove the spell from all the mages that learned books they bought from bots, to restore this extreemly rare drops value? nope... it'll stay as it is, and this book that should cost 400~500mil, will remain 60mil, and every stupid mage on the server will still have their I WIN button.
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Yep... I bought abs for 280m
Yep... I bought abs for 280m awhile back. Then a year later it is 50-60m and every mage in game has it
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The whole thing is a
The whole thing is a complete farce! There are so many level 75+ players that NC already adjusted the game for them and sooner or later you NEED to be lvl 75+ to hunt the new areas at all. What will you do then?
Lyzira any comment about this? I doubt it! MabyDuck is still there - after months - You can't say that NC takes action against the bots now!
The only reply you will get
The only reply you will get is...
Please submit a report to support with time, date, and any screen shots so we can review the alledged actions.
MabyDuck owns NC or works there, and they can't ban him?
Everything Happens for a Reason.
More and more motivation to
More and more motivation to join a private server
More and more motivation to
More and more motivation to join a private server
I contend the list of people
I contend the list of people with any REAL credibility to complain about cheaters is very, very small. If you all really think about it, there is someone you support who is a cheater. I include myself in that, although I have tried in recent months to become almost millitant about it.
There are people we know used to bot who don't who are now accepted by the community in general. There is one player on Ken who was one of the first high level bots on the server. He is now controlled by a person and is accepted by almost everyone now.
There are people we support who we know cheat because the cheats that they use aren't as bad as a lot of the other cheats NC lets people get away with.
I have said this dozens of times before, but I'm not sure how we can expect NC to take us seriously when we say they should not accept the cheaters when we accept them and make efforts to legitimize them (actively or passively) every single day.
NCsoft is the only who can
NCsoft is the only who can do anything against the bots! If you kept accusing and reporting bots like I did and you see that nothing happens at all, there comes the point of resignation. In long terms I have only two choices, I can quit or I can start cheating and botting to be able to enjoy the game.
NCsoft doesn't care about the bots in their games and MabyDuck alone is a prove for that. It's NCsoft's turn to officially admit that they allow cheating and botting in their games for profit reasons and they need to change the user agreement and the rules to make that clear! Like: It is allowed to use 3rd party programs to improve your gaming experience and it is prohibited to complain about this. We suggest to use one of the following 3rd party programs BotXY, CheatXYZ, etc. to use with our products.
I'm not going to quit yet and I'm not going to cheat or run a bot but I'll make NCsoft's behavior public and I'll not stop to do so. I'm paying to play the game the way they advertise it, in respects to the given rules! If NCsoft changed the rules they have to make it public!
They are the only ones who
They are the only ones who can get rid of the bots and cheaters, but they are not the only ones who can take action.
We, as players, can refuse to accept them. We can make sure everyone remembers they were bots and cheaters. We can refuse to help them. We can refuse to do business with them. We can do any or all of the above.
Basically, once they are taken over by real players we can make sure their gaming experience is as unpleasant as possible. We can refuse to accept them and send a clear message to NC that we are united against the bots and the cheaters ... current and former ... and that they should be, too.
Instead, we too often forgive and forget. And in so doing, we send a message to NC and past and future cheaters that with time we will accept them into the community ... so they might as well allow it (in NC's case) and take advantage of every cheat they can (in the player's case).
You both are
You both are correct...
We as players must not accept Bots/Bought/Hacked players.
NCSoft should not allow them to exist, and use every way possable to eliminate them. The Agreement they are so quick to hide behind demands it.
How do we hold up our end?
1 Don't Cheat! (ok, I have no problem with this one)
2 Report to support every player suspect of violation. (hahaha... )
3 Never purchase from or sell items to Cheaters. (were do i get a list of cheaters?)
You are not allowed to name
You are not allowed to name a bot on the Lineage.com boards or here. You have to do it on your own.
Our pledge has a strict rule: No cheating or botting! We have kicked out people for having too many TOI scrolls already. I play Lineage for over 7 years now and I know every legit lvl +50 player on Ken. Everyone knows Molindare, TheHammer, SexGodness, Willie, Sk8 and all the others for one reason - they are higher level because they are here for years! If there is someone who is lvl 55+ and I never heard about him before then he is bot - it is that simple! We have only a few higher level players in pledge for one reason - we do not accept bots, regardless how friendly they are but we keep growing every day - without cheaters and botters!
I keep talking to the bots and tell them that botting on Ken is a bad idea! Some of them already leave when they see me on screen but it is really ONLY NCsofts business to remove them from the game! It's Lineage: The Bloodpledge not Lineage: Bots and Cheaters EVERYWHERE! Muuuhhaa!
NCSoft banned people permanently for using speed hack only(!) back in the years, they mass-banned people for exploding a bug they put into game! And now?! They let bots with all kind of hacks running around - for months - for YEARS!
NC did a lot of things that
NC did a lot of things that were good and bad. my favorite is the non existant walk through. but oh well.... and i know of a lot of legit people that lvled to 55+ and were never seen.... i used to do the same on my royal back in the day, but it was a lot harder lvling back then. and now adays, if you have the time and gear. hitting lvl 55 is a piece of cake and will take a person maybe 5 months tops...
Maybe on DEP or LOA but not
Maybe on DEP or LOA but not on Ken - with 200 ppl online max. you know even EVERY lvl 50+ player.
OMG he just said fields
OMG he just said fields plays on LOA... this is about to get very ugly.
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HA, HA! :P
HA, HA! :P
thats BS. It is neither
thats BS. It is neither within our capacity or responsibility to police our servers. Our responsibility is to pay our subscription fee, after that it is NCs job to police their servers and provide a pleasant playing environment for their players.
It is nearly-imposible to even pick out who is and isn't legit anymore anyway, so it is far beyond our capacity, even if we wanted to, to boycott cheaters. The response 95% of the time when someone dies, is the other person cheated, becuase I'm to good to die otherwise, whether its true or not.
One friend of mine is good example... we were at war, and he came back to game after his acct been inactive for over a year, he is lv55 mage. Enemy accuse him of laying low and botting to high level. War ended several months ago, and outta nowhere ppl still msg me and say why you hang out with him, I heard he botted to his level... ask where they heard that, noone ever knows. I didn't know him before he quit a year ago, although I doubt it, its not unreasonable that he may of botted back then.... I know for absolute certain he hasn't since he started playing again. So, what do I do, oust him because theres a prevelant rumor he botted to his level? With people like purevsall around, even out of war, you can't believe people when they say someone botted or uses hacks, unless you or a friend has first hand account of it, and you expect all the legit people on a server to oust cheaters, to the point that it is noticeable? it is neither within our capability or responsibility to do anything that would make anything close to a significant diferance.
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So true PyroAmos, it is
So true PyroAmos, it is NCsoft responsibility. Believe me if I could, I would ban the cheaters and bots but I can NOT!
By the way, MobyDick is still roaming TOI 41f....
I am not suggesting that
I am not suggesting that players can ban the bots.
I AM suggesting that players can stop sending the message that we will forgive and forget once they become "legitimate" players.
I KNOW you have seen it. You cannot possibly have missed it. I won't name names here, obviously, but if you whisper me in game on Chryses or SammyKnight I will be happy to share with you the people who are KNOWN cheaters who are accepted by the general Lineage community.
First ... I think you are
First ...
I think you are missunderstanding me. I am not suggesting the responsibily lies solely with us. Certainly, NC has the responsibility of clearning up their game.
Nor am I suggesting that we should all "get on the same page regarding every suspected bot and cheater in the game." As you said, that simply is not possible. ( That does raise an interesting point, though, about how two people can fall on different sides of whether or not someone absolutely is or absolutely is not a cheater. It is clearly often not as clear cut as we think it is on a case-by-case basis.)
What we can do is not make attempts not to legitimize people we know cheated. I don't know how it works on other servers, but I will give you an example from Ken.
There is a player, we will call him Flu, who was one of the first high-profile bots on the server. He was first noticed by many on Giran 3F. Everyone acknowledged him as a bot. Fast forward one year and the character is now run by a real player. There are a select few who still refuse to help him, but an increasing number of players are now accepting him as their equal. They v.v at him when he talks on global. They go out of their way to help him obtain the things he needs. They have allowed him to integrate himself.
That to me is unacceptable. As I said, when we do that we send the message to NC that we don't care about the players who USED to cheat and we send the message to would-be cheaters that it's ok because the few months of pain you feel will pay off when you are stronger than you could ever become on your own and the community has forgiven you for your actions.
Second ...
I am not suggesting that this is a fix. It's a very small part of the fight against bots and cheaters. NC needs to handle the rest.
It is, however, something players can and should do in order to establish the proper culture within OUR game.
Bravo!!! There is no
Bravo!!!
There is no 100% sure fire way (outside of your own direct contact with) to know who is or is not a cheater.
Having said that... its pretty easy to see someone using hacks, no spell lag and super fast movement being the easiest. When they r-tele right on top of the mops is a pretty good give away. Being online for 168hrs straight (every hour botting) kind of gives it away. Stuck in a broken tile and spamming spells for 5 hours. ect... ect...
I refuse to send any further reports to NC Lack-o-Support on the bot issue... thier track record clearly shows "They Simply Don't Care".
Have a Good Day, See you in game.
Not me. I've said it
Not me. I've said it publicly on global. Once a bot, always a bot as far as I am concerned. I don't buy from bots (not that I've had much to buy in the past few years), and I don't knowing sell to them either, and have even cancelled out of shop mode when I noticed someone I know is a bot browsing my shop. In cases where I am personally sure someone bots, I don't even speak to them even on those very rare occasions they actually play and try to initiate a conversation.
But you proably do buy from
But you proably do buy from the shop with the char name
BUYSELL
lol... its nearly imposible to know which shops are legit ppl, and which ones aren't 'cept sometimes by their content (like ele gloves and mith/ori dagger shops on loa, I wont buy from, cause everyone 'cept NC knows they are all from the ele grave adena sellers, or shops with 350 nzels and 2 eva's scorns ect, or have 21, 71, 81 charms, SCx2 and PGx2 up 24-7 from the TWE account sharing adena seller bytches), other than that, most every shop that doesn't exclusivly sell stuff from an area that is monopolized by bots or adena sellers, it is imposible to pick out which are legit, and which aren't.
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"There are people we support
"There are people we support who we know cheat because the cheats that they use aren't as bad as a lot of the other cheats NC lets people get away with."
Mmm Are you talking about me Mr. C?
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As the Royal of TheFallen.
As the Royal of TheFallen. Not going to say I am the biggest pledge on the server (just looking at none PvP) but I do have many higher levels.
Same here, as long as a real
Same here, as long as a real person plays the char everything is ok for me.
Meanwhile the botters are just arrant! Some weeks ago they announced to found a pledge just for botters - and they did o.o They don't even try to hide anymore and blame NCSoft for their behavior - "they didn't do enough to remove the bots from Lineage, therefore I'll run my own bot...", they said.
On Dep, cheating of one
On Dep, cheating of one form or another is de rigeur. Some of the most popular players botted their accounts, sold items and accounts or have team-leveled characters. Most of the wars on Dep are about who cheats with the most honour, at least if trash talking is any indicator. They ALL cheat. Or they prosper because someone they know has cheated.
At one time I felt that all crimes were equal, even though many of my friends and aquiantances did things I didn't approve of.
Though I have been careful to play by the rules I have always felt that NC's message was clear: we'll nail a few nobody cheaters but we really don't care.
Who remembers ant caves and all the high-level players botting there for 8-16 hours a day who never got banned? I do. Those jerks got away with it and years later are still inspiring other players to cheat. They got away with it, maybe you will too! And that's why I know that what is happening now is not really justice.
I havent seen Mobydick in
I havent seen Mobydick in over 3 days now... But I still see his mage bot VelvetV botting away in mlc.
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