http://lineage.gameabout.com/news/view.ga?id=1&news_id=3638&listpage=1&p...
It looks like two handed weapons are finally getting the overhaul they need. Axes are getting huge bonus increases. Pole Arms are almost doubling. Many changes to two handed swords....
Translations needed, please. Particularly the level based section at the bottom of the linked page.
Nice...the game has been
Nice...the game has been based around 1-handed weapons for so long. I remember when berserker axe was out of this world...It'd be nice to see some beefy axes out there again
i went to the link and i can
i went to the link and i can manage to know some weapons that getting beefed up :) the only i was wondering is the last one with like 45/50 dmg and +2str/char and +1 con what the name of that 1 and who can wear it :P..i want my elf with that one lol
oup sorry its the 43/53
oup sorry its the 43/53 beefed up :P
The new two handed sword
The new two handed sword with 43/53 damage, +2 STR, +2 CHA, +1 CON, +7 HIT, +30 Damage, Knight only, Material: Black Mith, is on test server only. A higher level knight with buffs does up to ~100 dmg per hit! Hehehe....
The two handed weapon upgrade includes 10%-100% damage increase and faster swing speeds. The level table shows which morphs can be use with 2 handed weapons (the usual + new morphs we don't have on servers yet).
The intention was to make two handed weapons more useful and to decrease the damage gap between knights and dark elves.q
All that is on test-server only and it is not confirmed to go on live yet.
I am sure in the end Knights
I am sure in the end Knights and DE will all do and take about the same dmg. From all the update I see its eems to be going this way. have two Tank classes each with their on style and one more to take a few more hits and then one that does a bit more dmg.
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DE has been overpowered long
DE has been overpowered long enough x_x
omg..... crimson lance
omg..... crimson lance getting major upgrade, and my axe.....omg!!!!, ill end bosses way too fast now T.T.....
SO Fields I been looking to
SO Fields I been looking to make a +9 Crismon Lance for my royal that one day I might be leveling. Think its a good idea?
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god yes... dude, at 49+, i
god yes... dude, at 49+, i made 1% in 30mins give or take due to it.... now bout a hour :P
49+ exp, not lvl 49
49+ exp, not lvl 49
Looks like about 25~30%
Looks like about 25~30% increase across the board, which if I'm not mistaken is about the same as the swing speed decrease post EpU, so they would do basically same damage swinging constantly that they do now (with the exception of swords, as they are greatly slowed right now, and will be sped-up to meet the other 2h weapons speed at -25%ish speed of 1h weapons)
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No, they are not equal, not
No, they are not equal, not even remotely.
You are forgetting that sure, it's great to tack on an extra 25% more random damage to offset the 25% reduction in swing speed, but your damage isn't just from the weapon's random damage (in fact less than 1/2 of it is for non-DEs). From the top, there's the 25% lost from the weapon's enchant level, 25% loss on your level damage bonuses, 25% loss from your strength damage bonus, 25% damage loss to your spell buffs, etc etc. Now, do you really think a 10-15 point increase to the weapon's random damage really offsets an average loss of 25% of a big chunk of flat unmitigated damage? I sure as hell don't.
And Fields, keep in mind that this is also a 25% reduction in your silver weapon bonus...you still so hot on this change?
Wait...What??
Feandel wrote: You are
And Fields, keep in mind that this is also a 25% reduction in your silver weapon bonus...you still so hot on this change?
Wait...What??
Umm... I've known bout the decrease in speed for god knows how long, and figured the damage would go up just like the other weapons have in the past. Just didn't know by how much. Now what are you talking about with all that 25% lost with buffs, enchant lvl, damage bonus and all that? I've never heard anything. Might be something I missed and would love to see where you read that from. But as far as now, the increase in damage and damage output vs. decreased swing. Depends what I'm hunting but the damage output still wins :). Those 2 weaps. Theres nothing close to them YET.. with or without swing decrease
he is refering to swing
he is refering to swing speed being decreased, but only weapons base damage getting an increase, meaning, you still lose out with the majority of 2h weapons, because though the base damage may have gone up to compensate for decreased swing speed, the majority of your damage comes from buffs/enchant/str, which doesn't get increased from using a 2h weapon....
basically he is saying this minor increase is base damage is a pathetic atempt to bring 2h weapons back to a useable state, of corse, dependant on the sevarity of swing speed decrease.
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What Feandel means is that
What Feandel means is that when they cut 25% from swing speed that effects to how often all those mentioned bonuses gives damage to the opponent and then only increase the weapon's base damage by 25% it ain't gonna put the damage even back where the total damage was before the change. That's because you basically lose 25% effectiveness on all those other factoring elements.
If we would simplify the damage calculation and say damage made by swing would be A+B+C+D where example A could be the weapon's base damage, B the dais, C stat bonus and so on. Then when we factor in the swing speed to have damage per time unit we would get:
orig_swng_spd x ( A+B+C+D)
After reducing swing speed by 25% we end up having:
0.75 x orig_swng_spd x ( A+B+C+D)
-> orig_swng_spd x ( 0.75 x A + 0.75 x B + 0.75 x C+ 0.75 x D)
After increasing weapon's base damage (A) by 25% (percent units to make it simpler)
-> orig_swng_spd x ( 1 x A + 0.75 x B + 0.75 x C+ 0.75 x D)
If we only increase the weapon's base damage by the same 25% of the swing speed reduction the net damage will still be considerable lower because the damage per time unit done by the stats, buffs, class bonuses and so on are not taken into count when balancing the lowered swing speed. So in the end when we reduce the formula we will have:
Original damage:
A+B+C+D
Comparable damage after swing speed reduction and base damage increase:
A + 0.75 x B + 0.75 x C+ 0.75 x D
Hopefully this explanation made any sense, heh.
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Yes, that's exactly what I
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. The majority of people's damage in Lineage isn't coming directly from the weapon itself. It comes from the various damage bonuses that you will have with any weapon you use (more or less).
Take my elf for example.
+10 damage from the enchant level
+3 damage from strength
+6 damage from Burning weapon
+3 damage from Bless Weapon
That's +26 damage. If they were to lop off 25% swing speed from my weapon it would drop down to 21 damage or a loss of 5 static damage per swing. Increasing my weapons random damage (bkat, so 10/12) by 25% doesn't make up for it, rather it just cancels out the lost damage from the base weapon damage I ways already doing. I'm still out a not so small amount of damage per swing.
Now magnify that over a fully buffed 70 knight in a good mixed group (we're going off of my buddy Hammer for this example):
+7 damage from level
+3 damage from Bless Weapon
+12 damage from Strength (check me on that, I don't recall what + 33 str is)
+7 Damage from weapon enchant
+5 Damage from the weapon's natural bonus
+4 Damage from Fire Weap (burning is self only at this point)
+5 Damage from Berserk
+5 Damage from Brave Aura
That's +48 damage. Lop of 25% swing speed and you've effectively lost 12 static damage. You'd have to have 24 random damage added to your weapon just to break even, in addition to the 25% increase to the weapon's base random damage.
Either way you look at this, it's a huge loss to all but 2-hand swords...since 2-hand swords are actually getting a speed increase to match other 2-hand weapons.
Wait...What??
So the million dollar
So the million dollar question is will NCA follow this lead on the retribution and increase the damage to offset the lost speed?
depends, this update proably
depends, this update proably just hit korea, so we prolly wont see it with EpU, but rather 3~6 months after.... we don't really know what is coming in epU though, we might get these updates, we might get pie thrown in our face, we might get delvled to lv5... NC refuse to say anything about what we're getting.... they did say they would tell us ahead of time a week ago though... down to under 1 month until its sposed to hit live test (mid-august was the target)... so... what are the bets, I give it a 10 to 1 that 1~3 days before it hits test we'll get a change list.
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I agree that update would
I agree that update would probably come much later.
However, since the Retribution is such a big part of the LoA ruleset and a lot of people use it, I would not shocked to see NC decide to buff it sooner rather than later if they are equiped with the knowledge that the other weapons that type are going to be buffed down the road.
I have bought a one-handed weapon for my knight just in case, but my Retribution is only +7. The people with really good Retributions may well revolt over this update, encouraging earlier action for that weapon ... if not all two-handed weapons.
I doubt it will cause much
I doubt it will cause much of a stir, everyone knows its coming, which is why ret price has dropped 10mil for a +0 on loa in the last 3 weeks, it will continue to drop 'til ep hits and we actually know what happens with it, we might not even get the swing speed nerf, NC refuse to tell us anything :|
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was mid to late August
was mid to late August was time frame.
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I just looked it up... he
I just looked it up... he just says august... considering lyzira said they should have change list out early august, i'd gamble on it hitting test aug 1st, aprox 4 days before the change list comes out :|
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Welll I vote I am full of it
Welll I vote I am full of it then!
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well... at least you admit
well... at least you admit it.
zomg i'm a relentless a-hole.
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