can see the change list here... http://boards.lineage.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=qatest&Number=683171&page=0&fpart=all although that is hopefully not all the changes, as it doesn't have ALOT of stuff that we were expecting, like karma check npc, swing speed changes, new DE polys, Buff pets, ect.... TBH putting a change list that is as paultry as this out says 1 of 2 things to me... either
1. They cut 75% of the new content out of updates Or....
2. They don't really know what all they're updating, they just got the files from korea, got it to work and are publishing it.
either way.... it doesn't look very pretty.
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This just posted on end
This just posted on end of origonal publish notes by lyz...
These notes do not contain a complete listing of all of the changes that are being made.
Looks like its as I feared.... option #2.
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am I the only one who is
am I the only one who is very disapointed that, not only is this update over a year late, but already from the poorly done patch notes, it feels like it was thrown out before it was ready?
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I guess I am looking at it
I guess I am looking at it from a different perspective...
I work for a web software company that is understaffed, overworked, and often runs into the same problems that NCA encounters.
All our clients can do is accept that we are at a tough stage as a company and bare with us with the promise that they will get it, even if we missed the deadline by a few days... or cancel their contract and move on to one of our competitors...
Since I expect my clients to have faith in us that we will come through, I have no choice but to have faith in NC that they will come through.
It seems that at least with the LOA changes, they have been listening, and they are trying.
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ever miss a deadline by 6
ever miss a deadline by 6 months?
and they didn't really listen, almost all they changed from loa rules, noone really cared about, and they didn't change alot of the stuff that people do care about. COI is about only thing they listened on.
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Oh, i said stuff noone
Oh, i said stuff noone really cared about... thats not really true. Mages are going to care about it a whole lot, lol. aside from episode not having much for mages, they also getting soft ac dmg back and almost all their dmg spells damage reduced. Theres gonna be some really pissed mages, lol.
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Uhmm. You're right. As a
Uhmm. You're right. As a mage I care about this enough to retire it immediately and sell my stuff. I played a mage when soft AC was around the first time and it took all the joy out of playing. Its the main reason my account went inactive for 4 years. If you play a DE or tank an Elf (int elf esp) you should care a whole hell of a lot too. I'll have to think long and hard about staying as a result of this. It was a stupid nerf the first time around and its a stupid nerf this time too. Add in reduced attack dmg and greatly weakened summons, they might as well bring back the "to hit" nerf on the SOM to make ensure no one ever plays a mage again. I think what really irks me about this is that we had no warning at all that it was coming. Otherwise, I would have spent the last 3 months leveling up a character worth playing in the new episode. Why the hell would anyone invest the time to get a lvl 70 cougar mage now when neither you or the cougar could fight your way out of a wet paper bag?
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Quote:ever miss a deadline
Referring to the boards not being here yet, right?
No, not by 6 months. But we are talking about million dollar projects with contracted deadlines...
Not missing a date they told us they are shooting for, but they did not gaurantee they would make it. And its probably not NC Lineage to blame for the boards not being here, their hands are tied by the other deparments and games.
We miss 'communicated but not gauranteed' delivery dates by a few days or sometimes a week or more if things come up, all the time. Because with those types of communicated dates, you have leway to miss them.
As far as episodes go... Ya, we are a year and half since the last episode... But we are technically supposed to get one episode a year. We are getting two in two years, just that they are coming at once instead of apart. I think they made the right choice to delay giving us episode 6 (which would momentarily appease us before we exploded about Epi U not being here) to bring them both at the same time... which makes both of them easier to do and deliver for them, and probably meant that we are getting Epi U before we would be getting it, while we are getting Epi 6 after we should have gotten it.
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patcher only working for
patcher only working for about 10% of the people doesn't help much either... what was the point of keeping this on internal test for 3months+ when you don't even fix the most obvious huge bugs.
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All I can say is WOW... I
All I can say is WOW... I really can't stop thinking about this and its ruining my whole day at work. This whole soft AC bombshell literally makes me sick at my stomach. I'll be the first to recognize that the Knight class needed a little lovin', but do you really have to totally abuse every other class in the process? The original soft AC nerf went into effect years ago in Korea because all of the high level characters at the time were knights. In its wake, it led to the first major mass exodus of players from the U.S. servers because of the damage it did to non-con non-knight players (me included). Is there anyone left at NCSoft US from the old days that remembers the damage this inflicted on the game the first time around? I suspect not.
Do you like boss hunting? If you do you better wake up right now! This will once again reduce everything back to con knights, con elves, etc or you'll have zero chance surviving many boss encounters with the boss strength boost on top of soft AC. If I could only remember my password on the lineage site I would be raising holy hell! Seriously, if you don't play a knight or have a level 65+ character, you better let everyone know this is the worst idea EVER, or you'll be very very sorry in a few weeks...
wow... just... wow... on
wow... just... wow... on internal test for 3 months and they still havn't translated over 1/2 of it... this is like... un-freakin-believable how little they have done.
stacking LOA rule reversal on top of it just makes it worst to lol... thats something they should of done months ago, when their lazy asses realized they would have to balance stuff to keep loa ruleset, and decided to pass on doing their job.
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Well...I feel absolutely no
Well...I feel absolutely no compunction to ever return to Lineage now. In one move of utter ineptness they manage to completely destroy any value I had in my elf. I got hit not once, not twice, but three times. Spell damage reduced, monster resistances increased, ac effectiveness reduced by 50%. Un-fraking-believable.
Nice going NC. While you were at it, why not just destroy all my items and delete all my characters? *Flips NC the bird*
Any knights interested in 150 days of NC game cards? Cause I sure as hell won't need them...
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Come give it a try before
Come give it a try before you deny it =/
There is some fun new stuff. Its not like you really need to level anymore...
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Sk8 man, you know how I play
Sk8 man, you know how I play my elf. I'm a melee caster...and this damn update has stripped every aspect of that away from me. I'm not going back to the one-trick pony that is bow elves. It was boring as hell when I didn't have a choice (prior to LoA rules) and it's not any less so now. Not to mention that I've got 8 points worth of stats that I'll never have a use for again.
I may actually get them back in 4 years when the stat-reroll thing finally comes along...
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Does anyone know if there
Does anyone know if there will be new summons with these updates? I thought I read somewhere a while back that summons were completely redone in Ep6. Any news?
That is Episode U part II.
That is Episode U part II. Our next episode after the two we got on Test right now. Epi 6 and U part 1
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Thanks, I'm not really
Thanks, I'm not really looking forward to this episode anymore. I was under the impression this update would bring the new summons so i wasn't all that upset about the soft ac and such. Oh well, hopefully much is changed before it hits live.
hmm... ill be the first to
hmm... ill be the first to say, soft ac never effected me when I played mage, elf, royal.. a lot of people are making it a bigger deal than it really is. Now prior to us getting forced to play on LOA ruleset.... most mops and bosses did ALOT more damage than the loa version.with tons more hp... even with soft ac gone, knights took poundings on 31+ and other areas. So honestly.... the only thing I'd be worried about would be the mops and bosses getting reverted back to their original str. Not soft ac....
From what I've heard Fields,
From what I've heard Fields, they did (bosses that is).
I grant you that the overall impact soft/ac is not HUGE to my elf, but it is a significant change to just how durable a given character is...if they aren't a knight. My elf will lose 50% of his damage reduction capabilities from this change, your royal will lose even more (and mages yet again even more).
LOA has been active long enough that I think you are being influenced by nostalgia to some degree. I would routinely melee with my elf and yeah I noticed the different with LOA Rules from the first time I logged in with them. Big? No. Noticable? Definitely.
Then again, around the time they nerfed the ever lovin' crap out of NB, I stopped finding a reason to go toe to toe with anything. So...maybe I'm biased. :P
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On a different note, I'd be more than glad to go and see just how dramatic the changes will be to my elf...if I didn't have to pay to test all this new horribly buggy content.
Of course, it would ALSO be nice if Fracas or Lyz would drop in let us know if the LoA ruleset getting dumped in totality is just a temporary thing till they iron out all the bugs. At this point, that's the only thing I want to hear from either of them.
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nah. royals, elves, and de's
nah. royals, elves, and de's are the same no? if not, i remember atleast royals were 2nd place in the chain of least effected...
but either way. i honestly never noticed a diff with soft ac, nor complained about it... but how major the change between how weak mops hit, and hp diff between dep to loa... VERY noticable... 31+ was a major pain to hunt, soon as loa came out. it was the best place to hunt in the game till rv/tos was released o.o....back then some bosses were soloable, to almost all bosses are soloable... loa ruleset has some serious issues when it comes to mops/bosses....
Hell, i remember when De's in the de caves and sieges used to deal 100-200damage a hit... or when medusa's used to deal the same amount.... but oh well. im always down for a challenge so lets bring old dep back ^_^... Now all we need is the exp loss increased back to 5%....
Nope. Elves were second at
Nope. Elves were second at 1/3rd. DEs and Royals were third with 1/4th with mages dead last at 1/5th. Like I said though, it's not a huge change in damage absorbed because its still random. You will still lose a big chunk of your maximum potential damage reduction.
Challenge is welcome sure, so long as there's some compensation for said challenge. As it stands now, can you say that there is one above and beyond bragging rights? It's like managing to kill a dragon anymore. All fluff and no substance. Sure you can do it, it'll be costly as hell...but you won't get a damn thing for it really.
As for the xp loss on death thing...You may not be ALL alone in that sentiment, but you are in the minority by far. I'm a pretty cautious and focused player and the number of deaths that were actually my fault is pretty damn low....but nobody can beat lag or d/c and I shouldn't have to even think about it either...and I've had a factor of 10 more deaths as a result of lag and D/C (probably more). Now, if NC ever figures out a way to distinguish between a player screwing up and their ISP screwing up...you and I would be in agreement about the death penalty going up.
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elf and royal were same,
elf and
royal were same, was
knight
elf/royal
mage
then later when they introduced DEs they stuck them inbetween elf/royal and mage, mainly because they deal so much dmg and have dress evasion to counter it.
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serricon still plays
serricon still plays lineage2? wow... tell him i said hi :)
yeh he still plays... their
yeh he still plays... their clan has a site, www.lineagejunkies.com if u wanna toss him a hi on their forums... if I got the chars right, hes like 10 lvls away on his sub from making nobless... that might be a dif person I'm thinking of though.
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I remember it being tiered
I remember it being tiered from the beginning. Knight > Elf > Royals > Mages. Have to remember that royals were NOT considered a core combat class at the time. They were just a pretty decoration, and their only real function was seiges.
That's not to say they didn't change it around, but I do specifically remember elves being alone in the 1/3rd bracket and mages alone in their 1/5th bracket.
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Elves / Royals are in the
Elves / Royals are in the same bracket.
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like pyro said, elves/royals
like pyro said, elves/royals were the same and in 2nd place.... de wasn't sure about. but that sounds right
but why do you need compensation for going back to the way the game was originally made and designed for? Have one's cake and eat it too?
Either way, I've never noticed the soft ac on any chars, nor does it bother me. and as far as exp goes. Yah... NC should restore a lot of exp but never will. But if their was a way to code(not possible for our pathetic NC team) in pvp deaths at 3-5% and dying to mops 1% most pvp'ers and hardcore players would be happy.... But gl on that with fracas at the head.... Private servers is your only hope for satisfaction. And it seems our only hope for getting the multi-episode publish(stupid) is to get help from the private server guys....
Anyone wondering why Fracas
Anyone wondering why Fracas moved on? All his hard work, fighting for LOA to be unique, having his changes nullified....mmmmmmm sounds like he hit a wall and we lost a champion of the LOA ruleset..... it is cheaper to run servers and updates when all are exactly the same across the board sort of like uniqueness is NOT their thing..... sad so sad. B
Maybe he was selling adena?
Maybe he was selling adena? We'll never know either way if he was a champion or a villain...
Well from meeting him in
Well from meeting him in person, talking Lineage with him and seeing in him the clear goal and desire of bettering Lineage...
I vote for champion, and I was very sad to see him go.
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Yeh me too
Yeh me too