NEW NPC NEEDED!!!

Nah, I disagree. Sell the braves and buy what you need.

The ways of getting consumables are balanced as is.  You do not understand the implications of allowing items like wafers, mgems, bringstones and essences to basically be bought from the store. This controls their price entirely. If you can get something from a store, the price it costs at the store determines its sell price forever. 

You can buy braves from store. If you can trade braves for any other consumable, then you can basically buy any other consumable straight from the store.

It costs 800adena per brave from the store. That means Wafers/Escenses, by your ratios, would never sell for more than 2.4k.

 I dont think you thought this one out at all. 

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I can see some value in this plan in that it takes money out of the economy (or at the very least prevents money from being put in the economy) which is something we deserpately need.

I don't know that this plan is EXACTLY what we need, but something like it could help on a couple of levels.

I like the idea, the examples are nice too, wafers are way over priced anyway. I think I'd much rather have it so that the other materials (ex: m/sgems) dropped again instead of this poor black blood stone system. Since that's not likely to happen, something to do with all these braves would be nice. Selling them at 200a a peice is hardly worth it .

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This could easily introduce the same problem as the prat pricing scandal of aught 2 (or somewhere around there).

Basically, if they let you trade items around at set ratios, you'd have to consider a whoooole lot of situations where players could manipulate tax rates, etc in order to be able to sell things to stores for profit.

 It would also be just gosh darned booooring.  The game economy used to be so lively before shops.  There were even players who just worked the markets all day to make money.  For some people that's fun.  We've lost a huge part of that and every little thing we add like this just hurts the player interaction a little bit more.

In case none of you know here (becasue I didn't read from anyone) Next Ep you can't sell braves to the store anymore or Wis pots. At least none of the stores I've look at.

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Never waste a day "learn something new"

By the way, my opinion of how to address wafer availability...

 First and foremost, I think it right to mention that... whether others agree or not on whether it should be that way... sparce availability of wafers is intentional on NCK's part. They are WAY more rare there than they are here, because they drop from a lot more things here. NCA has already thrown us a couple bones in that department... 

 Apparently others feel there have not yet been enough bones thrown...

Better ways to address the wafer issue would be to:

Start with Ents: 

1) Increase the number of Ents that are available for punching. (Same should be said for all forest creatures)

2) Decrease the amount of punches needed per ent to recieve the fruit.

3) Decrease the time it takes for a new fruit to be available from that same Ent, and or, despawn the Ent after its fruit is spent and spawn a new Ent.  

4) Provide a probability that the Ent couple possibly drop more than one fruit at a time. Instead of recieving one from the Ent, you recieve anywhere from 1-3 fruits at a time.

I dont think more monsters should drop wafers, nor should the drop rates on the ones that do be increased. 

Elves are a crafting class. That is the structure of the elf class. Yumi's dont drop. Rapiers dont drop. You have to run around and punch forest creatures and make them. Wafers should be crafted.

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How about ...

We have an event where you can exchange some of the rapidly accumulating consumeables for other consumeables (set or random ammount) or for a box containing a random items? 

The number of items you need to exchange could be relative to the difficulty to obtain it ... 50 braves, 50 blues, 10 pine wands,  1000 remove curse scrolls, etc.

Obviously the numbers or rewards (I would prefer no really big rewards and a reasonable consistence exchange value) would be subject to debate and the event would be available for only a short time.

It would be kind of fun. It would help take out some of the excess consumables in the game. And it would restore some value to things that are currently not worth much. 

Well I've read all the posts and can't see anything to make me think this would be a good idea, wafer and sgem are pretty much all an elf spends consumables money on and sgem is cheap so yeh wafer should be expensive. I never had trouble getting wafers when I played elf and nothing's changed

Chryses sounds like a very good idea and would benefit most of us that aren't bots and cheaters in off loading useless items and getting a return on our investement well useless pots ;0) ..... like a swap meet NPC , I'll give you a chicken if you give me a pie a barter system.....  now wouldn't that be cute. B

I do not see how this idea could be really exploited if the implementation would be made with thought, but of course it would reduce markets for the consumables at first because people would just transfer their stacks of non-used stuff into the kinds they need. The problem in this is that it would basically need lots of transfer options from one consumable to other, because only allowing trading of braves would be a bit skewed in the end. In my opinion there would be easier way to implement something similar: sell every consumable in stores and make them buy all of those in half price.

I've always thought that consumables should be sold in stores, including wafers. That's simply because gathering them otherways just takes too much time, is not fun and artificially capping them creates pressure for cheating. Feandel has already explained pretty well why it's not good to have everyday consumables as have to craft or hunt type of item, so I only put up a short list in here:

1. First of all it's just plain boring in a bit higher levels to go hunt low level areas only to obtain these stuff so you can go back to fun hunting again.
   
2. There is usually very minimal, if any, advancement in levels etc when you hunt these basic resources.
   
3. Thus people rather just buy them with adena they get from hunts.
   
4. These three previous points combined causes markets for farmers and botters and that again contaminates other areas of the game.
   

So because the gathering of consumables is not fun or does not advance your char in the game any way, people rather buy them from the players market. However, it's not a secret that most of the consumables in that market are originated from the bots who are performing this utterly boring gathering 24/7 only to sell majority of the resources to players for adena. These bots then usually sell the adena they get by botting resources + adena + whatever to the players for real money, unless they are running some bots to support the main char so that they can have the efficient and fun hunting with it all the time. This extra adena is a lot and one of the prime reasons for the inflation in my opinion - the most favourite hunting areas for normal players are not dropping too much plain adena, but the lower experience giving areas infested with bots are dropping plain adena as well as other things, like the consumables.

For this sole reason I do not like the way NCK separates the adena + resource areas from the experience areas. In perfect world it would actually work, same as having elf heavily tailored for crafting. But when the cheating comes in the picture, it just does not work as supposed and only offers great opportunity for the fungus of cheaters.

So crafting for things like weapons and armours I see as a somehow working concept, but reaching that also to everyday consumables is a mistake in my opinion. It could be an optional way to achieve the consumables for low level players and for people who just feel like doing that for a change, but it should in no way be the only way. Thus every consumable should be at least buyable from the stores simply to cap the markets for cheaters.

And when I am at it, I was a bit annoyed to see NCK introduced yet more of these kind of features that are almost like planned to encourage botting. Fishing, cooking and pet fights are exatly these kind of features - fun for players maybe the first week or two after they become boring and repetitive grind, doing these won't really advance your character in game any way, simple enough in function for bots to be able to do them 24/7, but with every of these features you can achieve something very useful for the character. In short, features that after first few weeks will most likely become something unavoidable irritation for players to achieve the buffs that these features offer for the
normal hunting, but will offer great opportunities for the cheaters. I hope NCW has already methods to battle against the new kinds of bots that will most likely try to hit this new market.

If something does not work too well, it should be changed to better if good way is available: this was the whole idea of LoA and I think it brought lots of good fixes for the game before NCK got their act togheter to fix some of their problems. Saying that wafers are not meant to be used all the time ends up being a matter of preference, but in my opinion elves has had the drive to use them all the time and by trying to artificially cap their usage has only opened doors for cheaters. It would be better to just have open access for them from stores for some set price and tune the wafers' effect to be something in right level when comparing to other classes' buffs - in my opinion they already are pretty balanced so there really is no problem if also wafers would be sold in stores. And just to clarify, this is simply because cheaters will have way to use these all the time no matter what, it's only the honest players who will suffer if the achievement of the consumables will be capped the current way.

What comes to the argument that wafers are the elves' main money sink, I guess that can be seen as somehow valid. But again it ends up to preferences - maybe that's how it's meant to be as some classes are able to use their mana to heal themselves and thus cut the expenses for hunting. But is this really the problem with the wafers, or are the problems totally elsewhere? In my opinion this ability is partially balanced by the fact that generally classes able to efficient healing (mages and elves) are in turn able for lower long term damage compared to melee oriented classes. But as the recent buffs to example elves with triple arrow etc narrowed some of this gap, healing potion dependant classes were helped in LoA by increasing healing potion drops a lot in several primary hunting areas for meleers (TOI 2X, 3X, FI for example). This was meant to help longevity for melee classes when soloing as it was seen to be a problem in NCK rules. Also healing potions does not have to be bought from stores if not wanting to use adena to them, because you can hunt them pretty efficiently example from Ivory Tower or other easy potion dropping area with very similar way other consumables are hunted. But like with wafers, how many really wants to do that constantly to get back to primary hunting? Not many I'd say and that is again one point in my book to support the idea to allow alternative way to just buy these things from stores.

So as conclusion, even I see something like the original poster's idea is needed, I see some problems mainly in implementing the suggested version. Simpler way would be to just sell consumables in the stores and possibly buy them for half the price as usual and adjust the actual effect of the consumables (buffs, heals etc) if needed.

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I would much rather see all pots (buffs and healing) taken off the drop tables and put in npc stores.

 It provides a badly needed adena dump.