One thing in Lineage I'm really looking for is the stat-renewal with the new 35 stat cap instead of the 25 we have now. The stat reroll system will completely change the current character built! Currently most players have chosen CON/WIS at the beginning and added what ever they want later to get a char with good HP/MP and good attack power. If you go the same route with the new system then you'll miss some very interesting bonuses and for elves this will be a tough decision!
Each character will get 2 'Recall Candles' which you need to init the reroll. That means you have 2 chances to do the reroll with each char.
The following table shows the stat bonuses you get when you distribute the 7 base stat points. Those bonuses CAN NOT obtained later! Let's take a look at the chart:
| STR | DEX | CON | WIS | INT | CHA | |
| +1 | Melee Damage +1 | Long Range Hit +2 | HP Increase +1 | Magic Resistance +1 | Magic Hit +1 | |
| +2 | Melee Hit +1 | Long Range Damage +2 | HP Regen +1 | MP Increase +1 | Magic Attack +2 | |
| +3 | Melee Damage +1 | Armor Class -1 | Weight Capacity +2 | MP Regen +1 | Magic Hit +1 | |
| +4 | Melee Hit +1 | Long Range Hit +1 | HP Regen +1 | Magic Resistance +1 | Magic Attack +2 | |
| +5 | Weight Capacity +2 | Long Range Damage +1 | HP Regen +1 | MP Increase +1 | ||
| +6 | Armor Class -1 | HP Increase +1 | MP Regen +1 | |||
| +7 | ||||||
| Max | Melee Damage +2 Melee Hit +2 Weight Capacity +2 |
Armor Class -2 Long Range Hit +3 Long Range Damage +3 |
Weight Capacity +2 HP increase +2 HP Regen +3 |
Magic Resistance +2 MP Regen +2 MP Increase +2 |
Magic Hit +2 Magic Attack +4 |
If your current char is full DEX and you plan to go full DEX again then congrats! Beside improved AC, +3 bow hit and +3 bow dmg your char will have increased HP/MP too!
All other elves will feel the pain to decide what bonus will give them most. To get an impression of the HP/MP gain you can get if you go full CON or WIS, here are some examples what your elf will be at level 51:
DEX 18/CON 13/WIS 12: HP 591, MP 223, AC -4
DEX 13/CON 18/WIS 12: HP 788, MP 221, AC 2
DEX 13/CON 12/WIS 18: HP 536, MP 419, AC 2
As you can see even with CON 12 elves will get a huge HP increase! The HP/MP increase per level will be more static, so HP gambling will not work anymore.
I've thought some time about which stats I'll add to base to make my elf better. I want decent HP, good MP, high MR, good healing power and I want to hit with bow, so full DEX is not really an option for me. Instead my plan is the following:
DEX + 3 - Bonus: improved AC, +2 bow hit, +2 bow dmg + the current DEX bonuses (except AC bonus!)
CON + 1 - Bonus: +1 HP per level
WIS + 2 - Bonus: Increase MP, increased MR
INT +1 - Bonus : Magic Hit +1 - Uh? What that? Unknown yet but we think that's a 'hit' bonus for spells like TU,Cancel,etc.
I'll post a complete character creation guide for elves based on the new stat-system later. Feel free to ask any question or post additional info about the stat reroll.
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Professor Coro, If I choose
Professor Coro,
If I choose to go Dex 18 and Int 13, and later on lvl51+ I go all Int, would I get the same healing power as before the reroll?
Yes, you should because
Yes, you should because heals are basically based on INT only. However, I'm not sure what exactly 'magic hit' means and if it has any effect on heals. Magic Attack is only for lvl 1-6 none area attacks (e.g. COC, Ice Dagger, VT, etc.) and increases the chance to do 1.5x the damage than normal - some kind of critical hit if you want.
Hey Coronis, Always great to
Hey Coronis,
Always great to see your postings, ever so enriching and informational. I have a question which you may be able to help with. When we do our re-rolls we we keep our base stats? Assuming if I started as a Dex elf with 18 and I re-distribute all other points after lvl51 to whatever I want e.g. CON/INT/WIS, etc. Is that how it works? Correct me if I'm wrong, so if assuming a player is say lvl60 now, he chooses for some strange reason to all all to DEX it would be 18 + 9 = 27 and he can do so until he max it out at 35?
So if I were DEX based, would adding to CON now be a good idea and if so how many CON points should I allocate for good enough HP? When is this re-roll happening? That's all the queries I have :)
The stat renewal basically
The stat renewal basically works that way:
1. After you initiated the reroll using the 'Recall Candle' (rough translation) you'll provided with a character setup screen (Elf screen at lvl 51 with 18 DEX, 13 CON):
All your character stats will be reseted, like you created a new character.
2. Now you can distribute the usual base points (7 points for elves) and see the effect of each stat point you have chosen. The table above shows the bonuses you can get here and remember ALL those bonuses can ONLY obtained at this point, even if you add stats later you'll not be able to get them!
3. After that you can level up your char to your current level by clicking the 'Level Up' button and see the effect.
4. At level 51+ you can distribute one point for each level and see the effect. (The bonuses you can get here are the current bonuses we have now - they are independent from the base stat bonus system)
5. If you got an elixirs they'll be added automatically (Not sure if you are allowed to choose where to add them...)
After you confirm your setting - your rerolled char is born :)
It's really a tough choice for elves! If you want to go Fire then full CON is a good option for you, because the STR bonuses are not that important and DEX would be a waste of bonuses for a melee elf (e.g 18 CON will give you around 790HP at lvl 51!).
If you plan to go Water then full WIS seems to be a good option - it will almost double your MP points, give you perfect MR and a nice MP regen bonus (e.g 18 WIS will give you around 420MP at lvl 51).
Full DEX is all great if you mainly hunt with bow - +3hit +3dmg and good AC it a nice bonus - one you'll hardly be able to get later.
If you take a close look at the table you'll see that some bonuses are easy to obtain, like the +1HP per level for 13 CON or the +2bow dmg & +2 bow hit at 14 DEX or +1mp per lvl at 14 WIS.
On korean servers around:
17% of the elves went 18 DEX / 13 CON
8% DEX 14, CON 13, INT 13, WIS 15
7% DEX 13, CON 18
6% DEX 15, CON 13, WIS 15
4% CON 13, WIS 18
All other combinations are under 4% and very individual. This shows that building an elf is based on your preferences, weapon and hunting style...
OMG Coronis, you DA Man!!!!
OMG Coronis, you DA Man!!!! Thanks so much for the very detailed explanation. I am very certain that everyone who looks into this portal for information would benefit. Thanks again for man! Great stuff! Keep them coming.
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I think I will be going with
I think I will be going with the popular 18 dex 13 con build and then adding to int.
at 53rd hp will be 780ish if i did the math right, which is 200 hp more than what i got now as 18 con O.o
I guess out of sheer morbid
I guess out of sheer morbid curiosity, what are the bonus stats for strength? I've always been more partial to melee combat (and as we both know, NC has rarely shown ranged combatants any love) so I'm sort of curious if the stat bonuses for strength are anything to even consider.
--- nvm, I see it on the table, cumulative I presume ---
Obviously, I'm leaning full con again (over 1k hp by my level is vaguely appealing), but full dex would give me my exact same elf all over again (actually, a slight hp boost over my current elf's hp)...as well as an interesting dilemma about what to do with the rest of my stat points post 57...I guess Wisdom is the obvious choice (better natural mp regen for the eternal mp drain that is TA).
Actually, looking at that break down, I'm sort of curious what other high level elves are planning to do. Certainly presents very curious if somewhat unusual choices/opportunities in the mix.
Wait...What??
Watch out for full con. For
Watch out for full con. For if my math is right most players will Max out Hp around level 65 with 18 con. and around level 75 with 12 con (this is taken from a DE's con leveling) Might be slighty diffrent with a knight
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ya if your right with the hp
ya if your right with the hp caps. Con is not the way to go for a long term build.
great job on post Coronis 1
great job on post Coronis 1 question does anyone know if our Elixer stats will remain on our characters when this re/stat comes in effect? or will the elixer stats be givin back to us as points to add at the beggining?
Q&Asays the elixir points
Q&Asays the elixir points will be automatically added at the end of the reroll process. It doesn't say if you can redistribute them to other stats or if they'll just added. But they are not lost for sure :)
Well, I've not heard
Well, I've not heard anything about the hp/mp caps in the new system. For starters, the hp/mp roll system is not going to be random anymore, so why put one in the game to begin with?
That being said, even with a hp/mp cap, con is definitely looking like the weakest stat, tied with cha for an elf. The hp boost isn't really all that awesome either, and the stats you sacrifice to get it are far more valuable in the long term.
Used to be that a con character could invest a greater number of levels to tie with a str/dex build char, but the initial stat bonuses makes that argument invalid. The large hp/mp caps meant that con was a better long-term build, but the removal of both of a con char's perks has put the ball firmly in the damage-stat's court.
One last question to Coronis though. Is the "max" entry on the table the cumulative total for the stat bonus, or in addition to the stats in the table above it? IE is 18 dex 2ac, 3dmg, 3hit...or 4ac, 6dmg, 6hit? -edit- nvm, I see the answer to the question in the second image post.
If the Hp/Mp caps are unchanged (can you confirm that Anju?) and I'm reading the table correctly, then I think I'm going to go hybrid melee/ranged build with 15 Str, 14 Dex, and 13 Con. I'd get most of the best offered from both strength and dex and a small increase to my health pool over my current elf. All of which sounds good on paper considering my general aversion to standard elf-gameplay.
Wait...What??
Anyone knows when the
Anyone knows when the ability to re-roll stats going to happen?
Lyzira said it will come
Lyzira said it will come Feb/Mar this year :)
I hope I'll find some time to cover more questions and suggestion regarding the reroll for elf. Some things are good to know BEFORE you do the reroll, e.g. like that if you go 18 CON you'll max out HP around level 60 already o.o
*sigh* I don't pretend to
*sigh* I don't pretend to understand all this but I will figure out what to do. I am a con elf, lvl 59 so I need to know what you mean by : e.g. like that if you go 18 CON you'll max out HP around level 60 already.
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After the reroll all chars
I did not know there was a
I did not know there was a HP cap... hmmm I have been adding to DEX like a good little elf and I had a Wisdom elixier. Can't thank you enough for the info Coro. You rock!
Any advise as to what to add when I actually do hit 60? I am going to stay a Water elf . Or, does it really matter since we are having this re-roll thingy?
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Thanks Coro for all the
Thanks Coro for all the great info. It's going to be interesting, to say the least, even though its going to negate all that hard work I did early on going con, knowing I would be better off in the end.
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Ok, so here is what im
Ok, so here is what im wondering and maybe some others are too
1. lets say you dont add any con at beggining. and level up a couple of levels and notice that you arnt really maxing out your hp yet.. lets say you add 1 con point at like level 65, would that recalculate your hp as if you had that con from begginging (since hp is suppose to be static) but of course you wont get the bonus from that 1 con as a base stat but would u still get the hp boost? -like will u instantly get 50hp more from that 1 stat at lvl 65 - or will it not come into effect until you level up again - Did I say that clearly enough?
2. lets say you dont add any dex as base stats.. and say you level past 51+ and add some dex till it becomes 18 base.. does the level / 4 still come into affect for ac bonus? do you get the instant bonus ac? or has that been removed due to the new system?
Thats all I could think of for now oO
That's something I want to
That's something I want to know too.
I couldn't find any reliable info about that but it seems that you'll not get the AC bonus or HP for previous levels if you add at level 51+.
Still needs to be confirmed :/
DEX 18 after lvl51 still
DEX 18 after lvl51 still gives you AC 1 per 4 levels, you get AC recalculated starting from lvl 1 to your current level
When you add CON, HP bonus will be applied on next level up (if you hit the bonus-adding magice number)
Thanks Meow:) So the AC
Thanks Meow:) So the AC bonus from base stat adds up to the current DEX AC bonus?
For example:
An elf who starts with DEX 18 (and gets the base stat AC bonus) will have more AC than an elf who get 18 DEX by adding after level 51?
They will have the same AC,
They will have the same AC, but the one that has 18 DEX in the beginning will get base bonuses.
This is from a friend playing at TW server.
so i guess that works the
so i guess that works the same for the WIS and MR.. the one taht adds to WIS will have a base +1 or +2 MR higher then everyone else.. (kinda seemes pointless though)
Another question:you know
Another question:
you know how it says +1Magic Resistance for 1 wis.... so if i add 1wis as base stat.. does that mean every level up i get +1mr? or is it just that +1mr at the start and nothing more..
Another Question:
Are these bonus charts the same for all classes? or is thier a different chart per class?
The +1MR is for sure not per
The +1MR is for sure not per level but I can't say if it is just +1MR or if you get +1MR every X levels.
Each class has its own stat bonus table with different bonuses for each stat.